8 Levels to be on the road to "Social State"

[SharonL]

This is really scary - all 8 have been addressed - they still have a ways to go with some of them, but they have all been implemented in some way.

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"1
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)
6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)
7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

 

[1000Flames]

This looks like those bad chain letters my grandma forwards to me in my email.

 

[SharonL]

This looks like those bad chain letters my grandma forwards to me in my email.

Disprove involvement in any of the 8 and you will have a point.

 

[dogs4thewin]

um honest question How does particularly healthcare control the people? How do they plan to force us to SEEK treatment?

 

[JoyJuice]

This looks like those bad chain letters my grandma forwards to me in my email.

Disprove involvement in any of the 8 and you will have a point.

1000Flames, your you know what detector is in tune and running fine.
That is exactly what it is:

SNOPES

 

[1000Flames]

Disprove involvement in any of the 8 and you will have a point.

Sure, I'm not involved in Number 4. What do I win?

Also, why bother? Why don't you prove your post first with any actual evidence? If you don't, this comes to mind. "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens.

Pretty fitting.

 

[1000Flames]

1000Flames, your you know what detector is in tune and running fine.
That is exactly what it is:

SNOPES

I'm young, I'm sure my detector will start to fail as I grow older.

 

[Paulos23]

1000Flames, your you know what detector is in tune and running fine.
That is exactly what it is:

SNOPES

Where the heck did the list come from then?

And it would be nice to know how these points make a "Social State".

What is a "Social State" for that matter?

 

[AirPo]

This is really scary - all 8 have been addressed - they still have a ways to go with some of them, but they have all been implemented in some way.

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"1
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)
6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)
7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

It appears no one is controling what the OP reads and listens to.

 

[AceHero]

1000Flames, your you know what detector is in tune and running fine.
That is exactly what it is:

SNOPES

Where the heck did the list come from then?

And it would be nice to know how these points make a "Social State".

What is a "Social State" for that matter?

Perhaps something like this?

When it comes down to it, SharonL is really advocating for an anti-social state, and we can't have that!

 

[Savior2006]

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7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

Bad grammar aside, it's NOT the government's job to promote YOUR religion and ONLY YOUR religion in schools at taxpayer's expense. I don't know where people get this nonsense from.

 

[abdAlSalam]

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"

How is one defining a 'social state'? Does this mean a social democracy? A Marxian dictatorship of the proletariat? Anything other than minarchism/anarchism?

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.

Rather vague. If this is the case, then aren't we already a social state owned by private individuals?
What do they mean by control? Price fixing? Care rationing? Compliance requirements? Too vague.

2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.

Assuming for a moment that a 'social state' means a Socialist state rather than a Social Democracy.
This position would be under the umbrella of what is called "accelerationism". That is, to speed up a proletarian revolution by making the life of the working class harder. This is a huge minority view within the Left of not only America but the Left of Europe as well. It's seen as cruel and counterproductive. It's such a joke that many mock it by claiming that if we all voted Republican, we would have a proletarian revolution within a decade.

3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.

This one is weird for a lot of reasons. Taxation for one doesn't create poverty. And why would you use massive public debt as an excuse for raising taxation? For that matter what is the goal for taxation? What is the debt being spent on?

4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.

This one is weird as well, as most Marxists (and non-Marxian Socialists) advocate for keeping the proletariat armed. I guess it fits in with the narrative that a socialist state must be identical to the USSR or PRC.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)

Take control how? How is giving people money for necessities a way of controlling them?
This one is especially hilarious, given that if this is a definition of control, then wage labor is a mode of control. Private entities determine how much money we can make, decide our value based on skill and/or arbitrary theories of value. And yet I am willing to bet that whoever wrote up this list never really explored the idea of the mass of people being controlled through wage slavery by private entities. But once you start getting welfare payments, all of the sudden you are a slave to the government. Haha, ok. Whatever.

6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)

Yup, we should get rid of public education. That'll solve our problems and wont at all make us more susceptible to a dictatorship. Afterall, an uninformed democracy is the best democracy.

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

Haha, ok. Secularism is bad. Got it.

8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

This isn't a conscious aim of anyone. It's just the nigh-inevitable result of a capitalistic system where the means of production are concentrated into few hands. This concentration in and of itself is what creates classes in society. There's no reason to try and artificially create such stratification when it is the natural result of private capital accumulation.

Moreover, why should I fear class warfare? The wealthy are already conducting it, have been for hundreds of years. Why is it all of a sudden a bad thing when the working class starts noticing that they're getting screwed over? That their labor is not appreciated enough? That they aren't reaping the same benefits of success that their labor contributed to?

 

[SharonL]

A little long on words - but you wanted proof.

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.


The other way health care reform can be used as
a vehicle for the government "controlling the
people" is in regulating lifestyle choices.
Now while it is never good for one to smoke,
drink excessively, or eat too many fatty foods,
the government will now penalize people who indulge
in these lifestyle choices, perhaps by taxing them
more, perhaps by denying them care from conditions
the government judges were caused by these lifestyle
choices. John Dingell - who is in favor of the bill

Obama: Old people don't need life saving treatments
they can take a pain pill (and be left to die),
IUSB Vision Weblog, June 26th, 2009

2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.


Newsmax - Jan. 2014
Despite years of railing about income inequality, the
poor are no better off today than they were when
President Obama took office in 2008.

About 50 million Americans live below the poverty
line and a record 47 million of them — 13 million
more than when the president assumed office —
receive food stamps, The Washington Times reports.
The federal government defines the poverty line as a
family of four earning $23,550.

3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.

Record-setting numbers of Americans are emptying
their retirement accounts to survive. Student loan
debt is a national disaster- with defaults up 36%
from a year ago. Over 16 million Americans live
in poverty…in the suburbs. Every day under Obama
the private sector shrinks, while the government grows
like a toxic malignant tumor.

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half; instead he
gave us five consecutive trillion dollar deficits.
He promised to spend responsibly; instead now owns
the title of biggest spender in world history

4) Gun Conrol - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.

There is no need to add proof here - it is in the
news everyday and it is obvious they want our guns.
No guns - no fighting back.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)

Investors.com Oct. 2013
The department reported just this week that
49% of the population, or 151 million Americans,
got federal aid from at least one program in 2011 —
up from 94 million in 2000.

The U.S., sadly, has become a nation of dependents,
and Obamanomics is accelerating the process. With
debt at $17 trillion and rising, more than $50
trillion in unfunded liabilities, and fewer workers
to pay for it all we will soon be bankrupt.

A nation of welfare dependents who won't or can't
work or pay taxes cannot prosper. Instead, it
becomes stagnant and unproductive. We're well on our way.

6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)

This explains the whole education process.
Eight problems with Common Core Standards - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

No proof needed here - we are living it - no mention of
God or religion in any public place. Cannot be mentioned
in schools.

8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

No proof needed here - all we hear from the left is
income inequality.

You can criticize all you want - but if you look at facts we are headed to a population being totally controlled by government. Make all the excuses you want and call me all the names you want and look at Snopes to disprove - yet the facts are still hitting us in the face.

 

[JoyJuice]

A little long on words - but you wanted proof.

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.


The other way health care reform can be used as
a vehicle for the government "controlling the
people" is in regulating lifestyle choices.
Now while it is never good for one to smoke,
drink excessively, or eat too many fatty foods,
the government will now penalize people who indulge
in these lifestyle choices, perhaps by taxing them
more, perhaps by denying them care from conditions
the government judges were caused by these lifestyle
choices. John Dingell - who is in favor of the bill

Obama: Old people don't need life saving treatments
they can take a pain pill (and be left to die),
IUSB Vision Weblog, June 26th, 2009

2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.


Newsmax - Jan. 2014
Despite years of railing about income inequality, the
poor are no better off today than they were when
President Obama took office in 2008.

About 50 million Americans live below the poverty
line and a record 47 million of them — 13 million
more than when the president assumed office —
receive food stamps, The Washington Times reports.
The federal government defines the poverty line as a
family of four earning $23,550.

3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.

Record-setting numbers of Americans are emptying
their retirement accounts to survive. Student loan
debt is a national disaster- with defaults up 36%
from a year ago. Over 16 million Americans live
in poverty…in the suburbs. Every day under Obama
the private sector shrinks, while the government grows
like a toxic malignant tumor.

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half; instead he
gave us five consecutive trillion dollar deficits.
He promised to spend responsibly; instead now owns
the title of biggest spender in world history

4) Gun Conrol - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.

There is no need to add proof here - it is in the
news everyday and it is obvious they want our guns.
No guns - no fighting back.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)

Investors.com Oct. 2013
The department reported just this week that
49% of the population, or 151 million Americans,
got federal aid from at least one program in 2011 —
up from 94 million in 2000.

The U.S., sadly, has become a nation of dependents,
and Obamanomics is accelerating the process. With
debt at $17 trillion and rising, more than $50
trillion in unfunded liabilities, and fewer workers
to pay for it all we will soon be bankrupt.

A nation of welfare dependents who won't or can't
work or pay taxes cannot prosper. Instead, it
becomes stagnant and unproductive. We're well on our way.

6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)

This explains the whole education process.
Eight problems with Common Core Standards - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

No proof needed here - we are living it - no mention of
God or religion in any public place. Cannot be mentioned
in schools.

8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

No proof needed here - all we hear from the left is
income inequality.

You can criticize all you want - but if you look at facts we are headed to a population being totally controlled by government. Make all the excuses you want and call me all the names you want and look at Snopes to disprove - yet the facts are still hitting us in the face.

Looks like a lot long on words.

 

[Savior2006]

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

No proof needed here - we are living it - no mention of
God or religion in any public place. Cannot be mentioned
in schools.

That's just completely untrue. Students can say "God" whenever they want and Congress is opened with prayer. In what public setting is mentioning God prohibited?

 

[JoyJuice]

That's just completely untrue. Students can say "God" whenever they want and Congress is opened with prayer. In what public setting is mentioning God prohibited?

She...is....way....too....far....gone...for....reason.

 

[cow451]

This is really scary - all 8 have been addressed - they still have a ways to go with some of them, but they have all been implemented in some way.

THE 8 LEVELS OF CONTROL THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED
BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE A "SOCIAL STATE"1
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control
the people.

Every first-world nation with a voting populace has a healthcare system designed to coiver all citizens.

2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are providing everything for
them to live.

poppycock, as the homeless veterans would tell you.

3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.

I didn't know George W. Bush was a socialist. Thanks for the info.

4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves
from the Government. That way you are able to create a
police state.

We got more guns than anybody outside Syria. Our guns have guns.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their
lives. (Food, housing and income)

See #2

6) Education - Take control of what people read and
listen to. Take control of what children learn in
school. (Common Core)

I'd be happy if kids learn anything as long as it's accurate (unlike the Creationist blather in some Christian schools.

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools.

I can pray in any school or gubment building in this country.

8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it
will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the
support of the poor.

The top 40% have 40% of the nation's wealth. You want them to have miore?

 

[IanCG]

How long before she complains we're being mean to her, and that she was just trying to innocently ask questions and wasn't implying nuttin'!

 

[Grizzly]

Disprove involvement in any of the 8 and you will have a point.

Well, the common core standards are more flexible than those from No Child Left Behind. And states have the opportunity to opt out (and many have). Doesn't sound like the road to the Social State for this one.

 

[SolomonVII]

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