7th Day ADVENTISTS

[ricker]

ricker:
You can't celebrate a lie Yashua was not born on Christmas and the Bible never told you to celebrate His birth if so please provide it for me. He wanted us to celebrate His death and not some pagan custom call Easter!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

We don't celebrate Columbus day on the exact day he discovered america, or presidents day on the exact day any particular president was born, or labor day on the anniversery of any certain event, or even thanksgiving on the exact day the pilgrims feasted.

You don't even know for certain you are keeping the Sabbath on the same day in the weekly cycle was in ancient time.

Do you know what exact day Jesus was born? I can't hardly believe people are against celebrating Christ's birth.


BTW my conservative SDA parents had a Christmas tree and gave us presents, and I don't remember anyone in our church being against the holiday. I remember Christamas trees in all our church friends houses 40 years ago. My super religious SDA grandfather dressed up like Santa.

Why wouldn't our Lord be pleased that we gather to praise and worship Him, celebrating His birth into the world?

Is the general conference dictated by Scripture? Are campmeetings from Biblical directives? How about Pathfinders? Ingathering? I could go on.........

 

[JRSut1000]

Religion/tradition does not equal truth.

My family of origin are very religious and taught me Christmas and made it as special as possible. They did their best. But now that I know the truth concerning the pagan roots of the many traditions of Christmas (including the xmas tree), I will not be practicing Christmas in my home with my new family. By the way, my family loves God, but they are still entrenched in traditions that are not of God due to simply the fact that it's tradition and what is done by most Christians.

 

[stinsonmarri]

ricker:

You mixing apples with oranges. Columbus did not discover America but there you go we love living lies. Planning out your soul salvation is more serious than a day selected for Columbus! The Bible says that we should not give false statement especially when it come to the Bible. Is Christmas in the Bible? I also had a tree until I read Jer Chapter 10 and I do not go the ways of the Heathens. Instead I lead them to the way of the True Ones the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Mithras the pagan deity of the Persian is not my Father's Son and I will not bow down to serve him just like the three Hebrew boys in Babylon. What is BTW?

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

We don't celebrate Columbus day on the exact day he discovered america, or presidents day on the exact day any particular president was born, or labor day on the anniversery of any certain event, or even thanksgiving on the exact day the pilgrims feasted.

I don't see how these holidays commemorating a man made event equals in any way worship and honour to our God.

You don't even know for certain you are keeping the Sabbath on the same day in the weekly cycle was in ancient time.

Yes we do, the weekly cycle has never been tampered with and the Jews have been keeping Sabbath continually for 3000 years.

BTW my conservative SDA parents had a Christmas tree and gave us presents, and I don't remember anyone in our church being against the holiday. I remember Christamas trees in all our church friends houses 40 years ago. My super religious SDA grandfather dressed up like Santa.

Just because it was done by others doesn't make it right. No dishonour to your grandfather, as I'm sure he was unaware of this, but Santa is a veiled representation of satan. I can provide a study on it if you would like. All the attributes of santa are the attributes of our Heavenly Father, and we kbnow satan wants to be like God. When we introduce our children to this santa figure, who do they worship in their youth, who is foremost in their minds and on their lips at the end of the year? If you think it's Jesus, just mention both names to them and watch their faces....

 

[Stryder06]

It must be considered a Holy Day as it's the only day that most people step foot into their churches...

True enough lol. I don't see it as a holy day though. I think it's an enjoyable time where most people will keep their act together and show some brotherly love just because of the season.

 

[Pythons]

I'm not SDA, but I have been reading through some of the threads, particularly those about the Sabbath (which I also believe in the 7th day Sabbath). Anyways, my question has nothing to do with Shabbat, but rather this: What does adventist mean specifically pertaining to the SDA title?

It's means "immediate" 2nd coming and belongs to a specific family of denominations that agree on several key doctrines....
...Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians and WWCOG are "Adventists".
...They are just not "7th" Day Adventists.

The title "7th day" was selected to separate themselves from the "other Adventists".

 

[Stryder06]

It's means "immediate" 2nd coming and belongs to a specific family of denominations that agree on several key doctrines....
...Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians and WWCOG are "Adventists".
...They are just not "7th" Day Adventists.

The title "7th day" was selected to separate themselves from the "other Adventists".

You should do more research Pythons "Seventh Day Adventist" wasn't first nor close to first in regards to a name for our denomination. The Pioneers didn't even want a name at first.

 

[Princessdi]

ECR, you can't claim that all who celebrate Christmas(and other holidays) are intentionally making a choice to observe pagan rituals. In my circle, and from what I have observed, practicing, or even none practicing Christian associate Christmas with Christ's birth. Those who don't claim to be christian tend to go with Santa and his elves. Almost none believe their family traditions at the holidays have anything to do with pagans......and they are right. They don't.

In fact, Christmas in the US has very little to do with pagans. The major thing(besides SantaClaus/Father Christmas, etc.) we got from pagans is the tree, which Europeans(especially northern Europeans where winters were most harsh) mostly used the evergreens their winter soltice celebrations to symbolize the renewal of green and living things that their gods(this was before the establishment of christianity) would eventual restore........not to worship the tree itself.

The pilgrims who first came here were puritans and had nothing to do with the rauckus pagan christmas celebrations in England(which BTW, bore little or no resemblence to the christmas celebrations here in the US). You could land in the stocks uf you were caught and in 1659 celebrating was enacted by law to be a penal offiense, along with preachers of the time such as Oliver Cromwell, actively preaching against "the heathen traditions"(coudn familiar anyone?). We actually developed our celebration traditions from those established here and the immigrants that came later. The German settlers in Pennsylvania brought the tradidtion of actual Christmas trees and that was not until 1830's(ornaments arrived bythe 1890's), the use of poinsettias(sp) for decorations from Mexico, etc.

I said all that to say that I wholeheartedly agree with who ever it was said that we should take back those things the devil has stolen. God is Creator of ALL I am not hearing that we should not worhsip or celebrate God on a certain day because some people believe it was claimed for satan first. That is giving him creative powers and authority he does not possess. AND please people, read and if you don't like reading watch The History Channel. They have the history of every holiday just before each holiday every year.

If that is what you really do leading up to and including Dec 25th, then great. We treat is as any other day ourselves.

But, the grand majority of Christians do not seperate themselves from it but make an idol of it by conforming to the rituals and traditions that surround it. I'm surprised that you don't view this as an abomination against God by His professed people...

 

[Princessdi]

Actually, ECR, that was Aaron trying to fix what he had done in being pressured by the people to make the golden calf. The people had already said what they were doing...making themselves a god to go before them, because they did not know what happened to Moses or God up on that mountain. See the following two verses from Ex. 32:

1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Aaron is the one who was trying to make it something the people never intended, even though he knew very well their intentions. Obsreve these text:

And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

Now, what he said when confronted by Moses about making the calf:

22And Aaron said, Let not the anger of my lord wax hot: thou knowest the people, that they are set on mischief.

23For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

So to answer your question, no they were not worshipping God neither was it their intention to worship God. They were punished because of their motives, to whom they were giving praise and worship. They were not giving it to The One who brought them out of bondage.....intentiaonally. Then meant to go back to Egypt and take a god that would get them back into Egypt. Worshiping God would not have accomplished that goal.

So why were the Israelites so severely punished for worshipping God at the base of Mt Sinai? They were directing their worship to God, so why was He so displeased??

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Actually, ECR, that was Aaron trying to fix what he had done in being pressured by the people to make the golden calf. The people had already said what they were doing...making themselves a god to go before them, because they did not know what happened to Moses or God up on that mountain. See the following two verses from Ex. 32:

1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Aaron is the one who was trying to make it something the people never intended, even though he knew very well their intentions. Obsreve these text:

And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

Now, what he said when confronted by Moses about making the calf:

22And Aaron said, Let not the anger of my lord wax hot: thou knowest the people, that they are set on mischief.

23For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

So to answer your question, no they were not worshipping God neither was it their intention to worship God. They were punished because of their motives, to whom they were giving praise and worship. They were not giving it to The One who brought them out of bondage.....intentiaonally. Then meant to go back to Egypt and take a god that would get them back into Egypt. Worshiping God would not have accomplished that goal.

So by you premise, it would have been ok if Israel celebrated this Golden Calf day in the future as long as they truly believed it was honoring God?

That is exactly what the early Roman church did when bringing heathens into the church... took a holiday that was abominable to God and call it Christian.... later we believe it is Christian so it must now be ok, right?

 

[stinsonmarri]

Princessdi:​

You stated: In my circle, and from what I have observed, practicing, or even none practicing Christian associate Christmas with Christ's birth.​

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and majesty; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew Elohim, they glorified him not as Elohim, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible Elohim into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1: Who changed the truth of Elohim into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Rom 1:20-23, 25​

And for this cause Elohim shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:11 ​

I whole heartily believe in what ECR is saying my sister but I do understand where you are coming from. But you truly must understand the history about the tree it came from the Celtic who worship the tree and used the skulls of their victims placing them on the evergreen tree with candles inside of them. Theses trees they claim had the spirit of their ancestors within them. But the worship of the evergreen trees go back all of the way to Nimrod and it was declare by Elohim not to worship pagan customs!​

Hear ye the word which YAHWEH speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O YAHWEH; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Jer 10:1-6​

I would also advise all who have doubt about the truth of Christmas to go to your library and get the book called American Holidays you would truly be shocked. The truth is not hidden we just don't want to find out because of these pagan celebration and the gifts and the overeating we have become a custom too!​

So to answer your question, no they were not worshipping God neither was it their intention to worship God. They were punished because of their motives, to whom they were giving praise and worship. They were not giving it to The One who brought them out of bondage.....intentiaonally. Then meant to go back to Egypt and take a god that would get them back into Egypt. Worshiping God would not have accomplished that goal.

Again ECR is correct these people had just seen the Son of Elohim in person (that is the 70 elders their representatives), and they ate with Him and did not die!​

And he said unto Moses, Come up unto YAHWEH, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off. Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the Elohim of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw Elohim, and did eat and drink. Ex 24:1, 9-11 ​

They were impatience and these were mainly the mixed multitude who came with Israel out of Egypt that did not truly understand the power of the Most High, His Son and the Holy Spirit. Israel was weak and easily led astray as we are today. Those elder should have stood firm as the Levites did but Aaron was weak as well because he made the calf due to fear.​

That is why we do not understand the Feast Days, who the beast/man really is and the true role of the Papacy. We also have misused EGW writings and who she is a messenger instead of a prophetess. The leader then in Israel day and today are not standing firm to truth they want to be a part of the world but they too attempt to keep the Sabbath holy but do they? When you break or do not regard the law that deals with the importance and sacredness of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit correct names with reverence we are no difference than the Jews of old. We today pretend to keep the Sabbath holy but the truth is we really don't. Now that we realize that jewelry is not a sin to wear we still sin with because we wear it on the Sabbath when we shouldn't and we do other things. We need to get the eye salve so that our eyes can be open to all truth.​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

So by you premise, it would have been ok if Israel celebrated this Golden Calf day in the future as long as they truly believed it was honoring God?

That is exactly what the early Roman church did when bringing heathens into the church... took a holiday that was abominable to God and call it Christian.... later we believe it is Christian so it must now be ok, right?

ECR:
You are right I just wish you could see this on all points my friend!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Princessdi]

Stinsonmarri, I am really not concerned with how the enemy tries to use things created by God. That is his job to steal, kill, and destroy, right?

What do I care about what a celtic did with a tree? What does that have to do with my motive now when I have one in my home? I have read about it, but I cannot have the same motives as they did, because I don't believe as they do. God made the trees, and the enemy took them and used them(as he does everything, including us.......) for his own purposes. Did God toss man aside when He knew we would willing follow the enemy? No, and a tree has no say in how it's used, but we do. He sent His son to die for us....."while we were yet in our sins". Plus God gave man free will and each of us can exercise that gift for good or for ill. IOW, I use the computer to reach out to family and friends, to share my christian experience, help further the Kingdon of God, and just have good, clean fun. Many other people for other purposes.....pornography, child pornography, casual sex, totorment and bully others, Idenitity theft, retail fraud, etc. Just because others choose to use, or more like abuse, this great medium, do not mean a christian cannot use it to do God;s work?

This all is inconsistent and makes no sense because you said nothing about not using the wood from those trees to build churches, or pews. Did you know that the actually practice singing of hymns comes from the pagans who sang them to their leaders, heroes, and gods? So that gives us two strikes against the hymnals, The actually practice of hymns was initially pagan and the pages as made from the wood of the trees that pagans used to worship........will we suggest that we remove hymnals and ghymns as an interral part of our church services?. After all......it's basically pagan. Plus, if you re-read my post you will find that the US gots it's tradition from the Northern Europeans who used to bring the three in as sign of renewal of life and hope for the coming spring during their winter feasts.....not the Celtics. You will find many countries and cultures who did many things with nature, and you can take any one of them to prove why you no longer will be bothered with that particular creation of God. I choose not to allow the thief to keep what he claims to be his. I give the enemy no power over the things of God, nor any power to create anything more than the havoc and confusion he delights in. The created is never more powerful than the Creator.

Princessdi:​

You stated: In my circle, and from what I have observed, practicing, or even none practicing Christian associate Christmas with Christ's birth.​

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and majesty; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew Elohim, they glorified him not as Elohim, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible Elohim into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1: Who changed the truth of Elohim into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Rom 1:20-23, 25​

And for this cause Elohim shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:11 ​

I whole heartily believe in what ECR is saying my sister but I do understand where you are coming from. But you truly must understand the history about the tree it came from the Celtic who worship the tree and used the skulls of their victims placing them on the evergreen tree with candles inside of them. Theses trees they claim had the spirit of their ancestors within them. But the worship of the evergreen trees go back all of the way to Nimrod and it was declare by Elohim not to worship pagan customs!​

Hear ye the word which YAHWEH speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O YAHWEH; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Jer 10:1-6​

I would also advise all who have doubt about the truth of Christmas to go to your library and get the book called American Holidays you would truly be shocked. The truth is not hidden we just don't want to find out because of these pagan celebration and the gifts and the overeating we have become a custom too!​

So to answer your question, no they were not worshipping God neither was it their intention to worship God. They were punished because of their motives, to whom they were giving praise and worship. They were not giving it to The One who brought them out of bondage.....intentiaonally. Then meant to go back to Egypt and take a god that would get them back into Egypt. Worshiping God would not have accomplished that goal.

Again ECR is correct these people had just seen the Son of Elohim in person (that is the 70 elders their representatives), and they ate with Him and did not die!​

And he said unto Moses, Come up unto YAHWEH, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off. Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the Elohim of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw Elohim, and did eat and drink. Ex 24:1, 9-11 ​

They were impatience and these were mainly the mixed multitude who came with Israel out of Egypt that did not truly understand the power of the Most High, His Son and the Holy Spirit. Israel was weak and easily led astray as we are today. Those elder should have stood firm as the Levites did but Aaron was weak as well because he made the calf due to fear.​

That is why we do not understand the Feast Days, who the beast/man really is and the true role of the Papacy. We also have misused EGW writings and who she is a messenger instead of a prophetess. The leader then in Israel day and today are not standing firm to truth they want to be a part of the world but they too attempt to keep the Sabbath holy but do they? When you break or do not regard the law that deals with the importance and sacredness of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit correct names with reverence we are no difference than the Jews of old. We today pretend to keep the Sabbath holy but the truth is we really don't. Now that we realize that jewelry is not a sin to wear we still sin with because we wear it on the Sabbath when we shouldn't and we do other things. We need to get the eye salve so that our eyes can be open to all truth.​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[JohnMarsten]

always remember that Obelisk thing, its definitely more pagan than any tree could be, yet it is on EGWs grave yard and part of many SDA churches... and it will be, and there shall be more of the same... why bother fussing about a tree when something more sinister is all around and nobody cares to correct it...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

why bother fussing about a tree when something more sinister is all around and nobody cares to correct it...

Because the Bible warns us against it Jer 10...

 

[Princessdi]

....against worshiping the trees. It is talking about those who made idols out of the tree. Unless you know someone who bows down and owrships the Christimas tree, it is not the same. In fact, people buy a tree(or bring it out of the box in the attic/garage, decorate it, put thei gifts under it, leave it for a month and then throw it away, or pack it back in a box and back it goes in the attic/garage. They are some mighty poor worshipers those who chop their god up and throw it away. We have to stop trying to make the Bible say things it does not.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

....against worshiping the trees. It is talking about those who made idols out of the tree. Unless you know someone who bows down and owrships the Christimas tree, it is not the same. In fact, people buy a tree(or bring it out of the box in the attic/garage, decorate it, put thei gifts under it, leave it for a month and then throw it away, or pack it back in a box and back it goes in the attic/garage. They are some mighty poor worshipers those who chop their god up and throw it away. We have to stop trying to make the Bible say things it does not.

I'm not saying you do it, but who do you think the angel represents thats elevated and placed on the top of the tree?

It's one thing to do something in true ignorance but once we know better, God expects us to do better. To me, celebrating the holidays in any way, once the truth of the origin and meaning of the symbols used is understood, is justifying a tradition to be able to continue in it.

You may say that you do not engage in the traditions but I'm sure you utter the words 'merry Christmas' to those around you... do you even know what that phrase means? Or does it not matter to you that it supports transubstantiation? Are you ok with saying, in essence, happy crucifying Christ afresh day? What does that have to do with His birth?... nothing, just as the rest of the holiday.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Princessdi​

You stated:

Did you know that the actually practice singing of hymns comes from the pagans who sang them to their leaders, heroes, and gods? o worship........will we suggest that we remove hymnals and hymns as an integral part of our church services?. After all......it's basically pagan. Plus, if you re-read my post you will find that the US gots it's tradition from the Northern Europeans who used to bring the three in as sign of renewal of life and hope for the coming spring during their winter feasts.....not the Celtics. You will find many countries and cultures who did many things with nature, and you can take any one of them to prove why you no longer will be bothered with that particular creation of God. I choose not to allow the thief to keep what he claims to be his. I give the enemy no power over the things of God, nor any power to create anything more than the havoc and confusion he delights in. The created is never more powerful than the Creator.​

Hear ye the word which YAHWEH speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O YAHWEH; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Jer 10:1-6​

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy? Job 38:7​

It is not I who states clearly not to do what heathens or pagans do but Elohim. Worshiping Elohim in any way then how it is given in the Bible by the Almighty Ones is wrong. Worshiping nature instead of the Creator is pagan and from Satan. Hymns of praise come from Elohim and are known throughout the universe before sin. Yes pagans make up hymns to their false deities but the original song of praise comes from above. Ex 15:1; Num 21:17​

Show me in the Scriptures where is claim to celebrate Yashua birth? Is Christmas in the Bible, Easter was put in their by translators because it is not in the original Hebrew, Targum, Pshitta manuscripts. You will always find the truth in searching the Word so that you will show yourself approval unto Elohim.​

Blessings on Yahweh's Feast of Trumpet a holy convocation (to assemble and worship) and not the Sabbath. Prepare within Ten days for Atonement our sabbath to pray that our names remain and not blotted out of the Book of Life. Blessing for the beginning of the Adventist faith,
stinsonmarri

 

[ricker]

Show me in the Scriptures where is claim to celebrate Yashua birth? Is Christmas in the Bible, Easter was put in their by translators because it is not in the original Hebrew, Targum, Pshitta manuscripts. You will always find the truth in searching the Word so that you will show yourself approval unto Elohim.​

Is the practice of Ingathering commanded in the Bible, or has it been added? Are Campmeetings in the Bible? Is the Pathfinder program in the Bible? Is the practice of observing the Lord's Supper quarterly Biblical? Does the idea of having a General Conference with a president and subordinate conferences come from the Bible? Does the practice of sending tithe money to the GC come from the Bible? Is ceremony of the dedication of infants commanded in Scripture?

Do you get my point?

 

[stinsonmarri]

....against worshiping the trees. It is talking about those who made idols out of the tree. Unless you know someone who bows down and owrships the Christimas tree, it is not the same. In fact, people buy a tree(or bring it out of the box in the attic/garage, decorate it, put thei gifts under it, leave it for a month and then throw it away, or pack it back in a box and back it goes in the attic/garage. They are some mighty poor worshipers those who chop their god up and throw it away. We have to stop trying to make the Bible say things it does not.

Princessdi:

Christmas means christ mass and it comes from the Catholic Church who changed the day that was celebrated at first on Jan 6th by the Roman church. The change was made because it was celebrated by all world wide pagans as their high god birthday. Saturnilia, Mithras, Tammuz and so on and the Bible was not just dealing with fake trees. That came about in America for only a short while most want a real evergreen tree. It is the decoration and it is worshiping the tree that is celebrated in all ancient socities going back to Nimrod. Most people do not celebrate the Savior but others with out landish gifts, partying, drinking and sucides. More money is wasted for what because we should help the poor or needy everyday. Children play with the toys for a few week and then they are put away for one of their old toys. Where is the joy and the love for the Savior but for only one day. It is a feast day ask any priest and they will tell you and the Catholic Church brag that that think they have powers to change festivals which also includes the Sabbath. It is a Feast day as well read your own SDA Commentary Leviticus Outline and the Bible states it clearly. Lev 23:1-4 It is Yahweh's weekly Feast Day and Christmas is a feast day (set time) done like the annual Feast days of Yahweh.
The Book called American Holidays tell you clearly that it is a pagan holiday and the word holiday really means holy day. If you want to observe it that is on you but you must give account to Yahweh not me. I can only present to you the facts and truth. Rom 1:17-25 All I can do now is pray for you and please pray for me because I know I don't know everything but I am willing to learn. My goal is to make Heaven my home so much we must give up that seems ok but it is not. The New City is where I long to be and whatever it takes I'll give it up. Broad is the way and yes many are deceive but straight and narrow is the way for salvation and that's the road I choose to take. I plan to stand on that platform a firm foundation and the Chief Cornerstone is Yashua! The Bible states to remember that He died to save me from the sins I have struggle to overcome. Don't you want to go there if you do then give it to Yashua in prayer and ask the Holy Spirit what is right not by anyone here but through the Son in the glory of the Father. My plead is let go and let Yahweh who gave His Son so that we can all have eternal life. I love you and pray that soon we all who love Him will give up anything that keep us from seeing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit face to face.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri