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I'd rather not have a celebration on that day, especially since God didn't require any celebration on that day. Not to mention, Y'shua (Jesus) probably wasn't even born in winter, it wouldn't make sense in context. So why identify ourselves with the pagans?

I think it's an utter fallacy to think we can make something holy when it's completely unholy.
 
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I'd rather not have a celebration on that day, especially since God didn't require any celebration on that day. Not to mention, Y'shua (Jesus) probably wasn't even born in winter, it wouldn't make sense in context. So why identify ourselves with the pagans?

I think it's an utter fallacy to think we can make something holy when it's completely unholy.

Amen.... the same issue exists with calling another day other than Sabbath Holy...
 
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Sorry, like I told Visionary, I meant to say relative.

I think the two are more alike than you might think. Lets take away the identifiers and just talk about the premise. Consider this....

Man has decided in his wisdom to call a day holy that wasn't called such by God. Even though it has a pagan origin, us celebrating it to the glory of God makes it ok. Besides, everybody does it, it's tradition.... what harm can it do.

Now, can you tell me what I'm refering to in the above paragraph? Sunday or Christmas?
 
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I just discovered a couple of quotes from E G White. The reason that they are of interest to me, is because of my interest in the fall feasts and there prophectic significance. Has anyone here been doing much study on this subject??

"All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption." Volume 6, Bible Commentary, p. 1095. E.G. White

Speaking of the feast days which occurred in the spring relating to the first advent, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf, and Pentecost, Ellen White writes,

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White

Ain't that cool, she talks more like us on this subject..
 
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I'd rather not have a celebration on that day, especially since God didn't require any celebration on that day. Not to mention, Y'shua (Jesus) probably wasn't even born in winter, it wouldn't make sense in context. So why identify ourselves with the pagans?

I think it's an utter fallacy to think we can make something holy when it's completely unholy.

I don't really do the Christmas or Easter thing but I don’t believe it's our business if someone else chooses to do so.
 
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If that is what you really do leading up to and including Dec 25th, then great. We treat is as any other day ourselves.

But, the grand majority of Christians do not seperate themselves from it but make an idol of it by conforming to the rituals and traditions that surround it. I'm surprised that you don't view this as an abomination against God by His professed people...

Is celebrating the coming of Jesus to earth such a bad thing? Is going to church on Christmas morning and giving thanks in word and song somehow evil just because it is a Christian tradition?
 
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Is celebrating the coming of Jesus to earth such a bad thing? Is going to church on Christmas morning and giving thanks in word and song somehow evil just because it is a Christian tradition?

the whole christmas theme goes hand in hand with my obelisk example.

People set up obelisk because they think its some of monument commemorating the dead, others consider it a satanic symbol.

People celebrate christmas on december the 25th because they think that either Christ was born on this very day or that it just commemorates his coming to earth, others consider it a pagan holiday that was just turned christian when Rome took over.
 
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the whole christmas theme goes hand in hand with my obelisk example.

People set up obelisk because they think its some of monument commemorating the dead, others consider it a satanic symbol.

People celebrate christmas on december the 25th because they think that either Christ was born on this very day or that it just commemorates his coming to earth, others consider it a pagan holiday that was just turned christian when Rome took over.

I don't know or really care what may have influenced the origions of celebrating Christmas eons ago. We celebrate Jesus humbling Himself by coming to earth and being born. We gather to honor and praise Him from a long Christian tradition. We aren't celebrating Rome or Vienna or any pagan gods or any other spooks.
 
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I don't know or really care what may have influenced the origions of celebrating Christmas eons ago. We celebrate Jesus humbling Himself by coming to earth and being born. We gather to honor and praise Him from a long Christian tradition. We aren't celebrating Rome or Vienna or any pagan gods or any other spooks.
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Your intention seems to be pure, christmas in its roots however, IS NOT!
That can be easily proven...
The thing is: Do you consider your celebrating christmas His will or rather yours or some church?
 
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I think the two are more alike than you might think. Lets take away the identifiers and just talk about the premise. Consider this....

Man has decided in his wisdom to call a day holy that wasn't called such by God. Even though it has a pagan origin, us celebrating it to the glory of God makes it ok. Besides, everybody does it, it's tradition.... what harm can it do.

Now, can you tell me what I'm refering to in the above paragraph? Sunday or Christmas?

I'd like to think Sunday since I didn't think anyone labeled Christmas as a holy day. And something being relational and relative are vastly different. That said, I feel as if issues are being made about something that isn't that serious.
 
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I just discovered a couple of quotes from E G White. The reason that they are of interest to me, is because of my interest in the fall feasts and there prophectic significance. Has anyone here been doing much study on this subject??

"All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption." Volume 6, Bible Commentary, p. 1095. E.G. White

Speaking of the feast days which occurred in the spring relating to the first advent, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf, and Pentecost, Ellen White writes,

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White

Ain't that cool, she talks more like us on this subject..

I don't know if I'd say she's talking more like you per se. She's simply stating what the truth is (even though I personally don't know what all that means) :)
 
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I'd like to think Sunday since I didn't think anyone labeled Christmas as a holy day.


It must be considered a Holy Day as it's the only day that most people step foot into their churches... ;)
 
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Who does SDA believe is the beast? And in what way do most mainstream churches ignore this passage?



JRSut1000:


I have been SDA for over fifty years and recently in the last twenty years I learn that the beast is not the papacy. I am not mainstream SDA but Bible SDA there is a difference. Do you know your history? When the Catholic Church was forming a Jesuit Priest by the name Arius taught that the Son was "begotten of the Father" or that the Son was created. The kingdom of Heruli, Vandals and the Ostrogoths were all completely destroyed by the Catholic Church who now became a religio-empire the truly first of her kind. It was the Church who ruled over kings and not the political power of the king! This will happen again because history repeats but this time the Papacy will lose. In Dan 7 Daniel is presented pagan religions that would come under one umbrella. The forth beast was totally different as the Bible said these beasts were not political empires as was given to the king in Dan 2. Yes the first three were Babylon, Persia, and Greece but this was dealing with their religion that was totally was against Yahweh. The forth beast represent all of the pagan religions that would combine under the Catholic church. If would like me to embark more on this feel free to request and I will.


The proof that the forth beast was all three in found in Rev 13:1-3. In history the Catholic Church lost her political power but not her ecclesiastical powers. She is the harlot who has the golden cup and has woo all the kings of the earth today. But she is riding the beast who is a man that was once a part of her church. He finds out that she is a liar and rebel not against her but Elohim because of her lies. He turns and sides with Satan because he feels that Elohim is untrue and use her. He along with 10 universal kings that he elects with war with the Church called Armageddon and destroy her but it will be Elohim's will. Rev 17 If you feel what I have provided is truth and makes more sense give me a holler!:wave:



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Visionary:

I have been study the Feast Day for over thirty years. They are not ceremonial days and even though I believe in many of the writings of EGW she is in error on this subject. She also stated that a view once held should be relinquished if it is not in step with the Bible. TM p. 105 EGW was a messenger and when she said "I saw, was shone, the angel said," the Bible backs her up 100%. EGW and others brought into the church many old traditions and instead of the church continue to research and study they became an organized body who accept what the leaders said like during the day of Yashua.
The Feast days were not ceremonies but days that belong to Yahweh which also includes the Sabbath. The SDA Bible Commentary Outline on Leviticus provides exactly this proof. The Passover was not a feast day but the supper it was to eaten at midnight on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. These days are to be kept they are not Sabbath days except one the Day of Atonement. This day is our sabbath to pray that our names will not be blotted out of the book of Life. It is a solemn, day of repenting and fasting and like the Seventh day Sabbath no type of work is to be done. But the other Feast days you are not to go to your job but instead to assemble together to worship. Return home and study but every day chores are done. Satan has feast days and we keep them but not Yahweh's!

Happy Sabbath
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I don't really do the Christmas or Easter thing but I don’t believe it's our business if someone else chooses to do so.



Here we go again Christmas and Easter come from pagan it has been proven over and over. It is not Biblical and it is a lie. It is Satan's feast days because they both are "set times," throughout the years. Yashua was born during the Feast of Unleavened Bread as He died. A wreath has always represent death and you don't want to really know what the mistletoe stands for? Read about the Celtics and the Druids and you will find out!!!!! Easter comes from the pagans which stands for mother earth and was started by Nimrod who built Babylon! Both of these days originated for him as well as the mother child concept. You cannot serve two masters you love one and hate the other according to the Bible!


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During the early church, the majority of converts to the Way of Christ were Jews. Gentiles started to follow the truth with the teachings of Paul and others. Many of the Jewish converts still held on to the Laws of Moses and felt that it was necessary for those Laws to be followed in order to be with God.

This being the mind set, many insisted that the Gentile converts had to be circumcised and that they were required to follow the laws of the “Sabbath days, feast days” and the law of clean and unclean meats. Otherwise, the Gentiles were being told that they would be judged for committing “sins” against God and the Law of Moses.

This situation is seen in Acts 15: 5…and rose up certain from those of the sect of the Pharisees who believed (Jewish Christians), saying “It is necessary to circumcise them (the Gentile Christians) and to charge them to keep the Law of Moses (i.e. Sabbath days, feasts, times & the unclean foods, etc.).

However, Paul testified to the truth that he received from Christ and the workings of the Holy Spirit among the Gentiles, to which Peter (and the apostles) made a clear, unanimous decision and statement, saying the following…Acts 15:24-29…Inasmuch as you have heard that certain(Jewish Christians) from amongst us having gone out and troubled you by their words, upsetting your souls, saying to you that you were required to be circumcised and to keep the Law (of Moses), to whom we gave no such command, it seemed good to us with one accord…and with the Holy Spirit to no further to lay upon you this burden than (except) these necessary things: to abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.

Romans 14:5 focuses on the Christian Jews’ preoccupation with the “days” in Moses’s Law……one judges a day above a day, another judges every / another day to be equal. Each in his own mind let be fully assured. He that regards the day, to the Lord regards it, and he that regards not the day, to the Lord regards not. (it is not important, and there is no sin, in what “day” the True God is worshipped as long it is the One and Only True God…through Christ His Son.
The Sabbath day is just as good as any other day to worship the True and Only God and His Son the Christ...and none should be judged as a sinner for the day of preference.

It is also understood, however, that no idol (i.e. pagan god/man’s belief) is to be worshipped on any day as Peter makes it clear by giving the instruction not to spiritually fornicate with/worship/sacrifice to any idol/ man's belief…he stresses the service to Christ and to love the One only Creator God.)

It is also seen in Galatians 4 that some of the Jewish and Gentile Christians did not easily give up their self-righteous traditions and "days" observances , causing some Christians to go back into the "physical" bondage, disregarding the love of Christ as the Only True Way of life.

...Galatians 4:8-10 …but then indeed not knowing God, you were in bondage to those who not by nature are gods, but now, having known God, but rather having been known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements (the days you observe, and months, and times, and years) to which again anew to be in bondage you desire?

I know that many “Christians” have justified their celebration of Christmas and Easter by claiming that they are “days” for Christ, but it is historically and factually clear that these “days” are of pagan /idol origin and substance to which the name of Christ has been added in order to “Christianize” them.

They make Christ into a religion amongst religions, perverting the truth.
 
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Your intention seems to be pure, christmas in its roots however, IS NOT!
That can be easily proven...
The thing is: Do you consider your celebrating christmas His will or rather yours or some church?

Wherever two or more are gathered together..........

I really don't think we are celebrating the institution of "Christmas". We are celebrating the birth of Christ into our world to become our Saviour on a day that could be almost any day, but is traditionally on Christmas.

I believe Jesus welcomes the pure worship and praise we give Him on Christmas, just as on any other day.
 
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Wherever two or more are gathered together..........

I really don't think we are celebrating the institution of "Christmas". We are celebrating the birth of Christ into our world to become our Saviour on a day that could be almost any day, but is traditionally on Christmas.

I believe Jesus welcomes the pure worship and praise we give Him on Christmas, just as on any other day.

ricker:
You can't celebrate a lie Yashua was not born on Christmas and the Bible never told you to celebrate His birth if so please provide it for me. He wanted us to celebrate His death and not some pagan custom call Easter!:cool:

Happy Sabbath,
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