7th Day ADVENTISTS

[yedida]

I hope my thread is not starting a debate as it's not my intention at all.

As an MJ, I honor the 7th day sabbath, don't do chistmas/easter, and believe that catholicism in some form could be the beast.

I'm sure there are many more differences than similarities, but it's nice to know that MJ's aren't the only ones with the above views.

Naw, if you've been following our MJ only thread, you'll see that my major complaint included the SDAs too. They get bashed repeatedly for their faithfulness to God's Holy Day. Some people in the Gen. Theo. forum only have to see the scroll or the lstters SDA and it don't matter what the thread is about or what the poster wrote - the bashing will begin, you can take that to the bank. (Some of the posters in this thread know exactly who I've got in mind, cos I've seen them take the beatings. They're following Gods commands, they definitely hold their own, too!)

 

[JohnMarsten]

As with all things, the Adventist church is divided on the issue of easter and christmas. Some church's celebrate it, some don't.. some individual Adventists do, some don't. My personal conviction is, that celebrating a pagan holiday wrapped in a Christian wrapping is as grevious to God as just celebrating the pagan holiday.

As far as the festivals and statutes, Jesus was the anti typical fulfilment for what these typical examples pointed to. In my mind, to celebrate Passover today would be to take away from the ultimate sacrifice by the Lamb of God, that His blood is sufficient to mark the lintels of my heart against destruction.

The only instruction we are given from Jesus was to preform the foot washing ceremony and the communion meal...

come to thing about it, didnt EGW prescribe a christmas tree?? and that we should put our gift under it, I mean a christmas tree in church and stuff, I could wrong about it...

 

[JohnMarsten]

I hope my thread is not starting a debate as it's not my intention at all.

As an MJ, I honor the 7th day sabbath, don't do chistmas/easter, and believe that catholicism in some form could be the beast.

I'm sure there are many more differences than similarities, but it's nice to know that MJ's aren't the only ones with the above views.

In the past I was a little bit radical about the catholic church, today I have gotten laid back about it...

still I believe its evil and it should be playing a major role during end time event, if not the major role...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

come to thing about it, didnt EGW prescribe a christmas tree?? and that we should put our gift under it, I mean a christmas tree in church and stuff, I could wrong about it...

Yes she did... I don't believe she was given the light of truth concerning the holiday issue and that she was advising on the best way to utilize the holiday symbol for a greater good.

 

[John Stefanyszyn]

Mr. EastCoastRemanant and Mr. k4C,

It is interesting to see that the disagreement between 2 SDA members lies not in "speaking" the name of Christ but in your beliefs in the application of freedom of conscience (freedom of religion) as per your "personal beliefs".

This is seen between all the "Christian" religions (and other religions). Each professes their personal version of Christ and God and each embraces their priority core belief in freedom of religion to justify their version of the truth. The SDA is a good example of this as it has created and financed 4 organizations in the name of advancing the belief in religious liberty...you will find their links in their website.

The common denominator between all churches is the desire for and belief in one's freedom to do one's own interest....the belief in freedom of rights and freedom of religion. This is what inter faith is based on.

The choice to live according to one's own will or to live according to the will of the One True God exits, but it was not given as a gift from God.

....because God commanded Adam and Eve not to take of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If this choice to choose and embrace the freedom to do one's own will was a "good" gift, why did God then say that the penalty of transgressing His command would be death?....obviously it was not "a good gift"....it was a choice that existed because Satan was the father of it...and it was allowed to be there in order to test our love for and faith in the Creator God and His Christ.

However, Christ is not a religion of choice... He is the only true way of life. There is no belief that is above Him.

Man can eat whatever foods he desires as long as it is in the glory for Christ, and we should not condemn anyone to say that their "food" is a sin against Christ.
Man can worship on any day he desires as long as the center of that worship is Christ, and Christ Only, and we should not condemn anyone to say that the worship of Christ on any certain day is a sin against Christ.

Regarding Christmas and Easter...these "holidays" are repackaged and relabeled pagan feast days that the Roman "General" church did in order to unify the various "religions" that existed in the Roman Empire. The Truth of Christ is not in these feast days because the Roman "General" church believes in and confesses first and foremeost "one's desire to do one's own will"...in the belief infreedom of rights and religion. The Roman General church is a harlot daughter of the woman...the woman who represents the belief in serving one's own interests and desires instead of serving the One True God and His Christ (the One true Way of Life).

I pray that man and all Christians will stand for and confess the Christ as the One and Only True Way of life, Son of the One and Only True Creator God.

 

[k4c]

Mr. EastCoastRemanant and Mr. k4C,

It is interesting to see that the disagreement between 2 SDA members lies not in "speaking" the name of Christ but in your beliefs in the application of freedom of conscience (freedom of religion) as per your "personal beliefs".

This is seen between all the "Christian" religions (and other religions). Each professes their personal version of Christ and God and each embraces their priority core belief in freedom of religion to justify their version of the truth. The SDA is a good example of this as it has created and financed 4 organizations in the name of advancing the belief in religious liberty...you will find their links in their website.

The common denominator between all churches is the desire for and belief in one's freedom to do one's own interest....the belief in freedom of rights and freedom of religion. This is what inter faith is based on.

The choice to live according to one's own will or to live according to the will of the One True God exits, but it was not given as a gift from God.

....because God commanded Adam and Eve not to take of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If this choice to choose and embrace the freedom to do one's own will was a "good" gift, why did God then say that the penalty of transgressing His command would be death?....obviously it was not "a good gift"....it was a choice that existed because Satan was the father of it...and it was allowed to be there in order to test our love for and faith in the Creator God and His Christ.

However, Christ is not a religion of choice... He is the only true way of life. There is no belief that is above Him.

Man can eat whatever foods he desires as long as it is in the glory for Christ, and we should not condemn anyone to say that their "food" is a sin against Christ.
Man can worship on any day he desires as long as the center of that worship is Christ, and Christ Only, and we should not condemn anyone to say that the worship of Christ on any certain day is a sin against Christ.

Regarding Christmas and Easter...these "holidays" are repackaged and relabeled pagan feast days that the Roman "General" church did in order to unify the various "religions" that existed in the Roman Empire. The Truth of Christ is not in these feast days because the Roman "General" church believes in and confesses first and foremeost "one's desire to do one's own will"...in the belief infreedom of rights and religion. The Roman General church is a harlot daughter of the woman...the woman who represents the belief in serving one's own interests and desires instead of serving the One True God and His Christ (the One true Way of Life).

I pray that man and all Christians will stand for and confess the Christ as the One and Only True Way of life, Son of the One and Only True Creator God.

To eat of the tree will produce death. It doesn't if you eat of the tree God will kill you.

I agree that we don't have to obey the commandments. Man can make any day holy he chooses. I also agree that if a man loves another man they can get married since both marriage and the seventh day were created in the begining and both were protected by Law.

 

[ricker]

To eat of the tree will produce death. It doesn't if you eat of the tree God will kill you.

I agree that we don't have to obey the commandments. Man can make any day holy he chooses. I also agree that if a man loves another man they can get married since both marriage and the seventh day were created in the begining and both were protected by Law.

Homosexual activity and the keeping of holy days are not quite treated the same in Romans. (See Romans 1 and Romans 14)

 

[k4c]

Homosexual activity and the keeping of holy days are not quite treated the same in Romans. (See Romans 1 and Romans 14)

So what you're saying is that homosexuality carries the same condemning weight as not observing christmas or ash wednesday or even eating meat?

 

[Princessdi]

Maybe decorated churches, Christmas/Easter plays or programs...............I was born and raised SDA and we celebrate Christmas. Back int he day, the sometimes to live music(if your church was so gifted a nd mine was), and also to HUGE speakers attached to car hood playing the Christmas music performed by no other than the King's Heralds while members went door-to-door. collecting donations...........that might have given you the idea we celebrate.........and make that heavy duty on the Thanksgiving..........Why would we not want to give thanks? I know we are supposed to do it every...in my case several times a day, but who finds something wrong with gathering with friend and family to give thanks ans spend quality time? Easter....complete with new clothes,egg hunts(on Sunday of course) and baskets..........Of course the program for both Christmas and Easter to remind us all of the True and Real Reason for the Season......I was never confused on that, never had a problem. I think it was because my holidays were always family oriented and we didn't fall into many of the pitfalls.

You know, I don't really know where I got the impression that you guys celebrated those holidays, cos come to think about it, the 2 Christmases we had at that church, I don't recall seeing any decorations....hmmm....not sure why I just made that assumption. (Could be that that time was 4-6 years ago and just bad memory.) Excuse my presumptousness!
And thank you for your information.

 

[ricker]

So what you're saying is that homosexuality carries the same condemning weight as not observing christmas or ash wednesday or even eating meat?

If you would read carefully I said they are not treated the same.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Yes she did... I don't believe she was given the light of truth concerning the holiday issue and that she was advising on the best way to utilize the holiday symbol for a greater good.

how can we decide when and if she got the light??

apparently she didnt get the light on the obelisk issue for a couple of decades, whenever she was visiting her husbands grave she had to look upon it...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

how can we decide when and if she got the light??

apparently she didnt get the light on the obelisk issue for a couple of decades, whenever she was visiting her husbands grave she had to look upon it...

We know from history that knowledge was given to different reformers to restore the sanctuary symbols that the Papacy had subverted. Wycliffe re-instituted the shewbread (the Word), Luther re-instituted the altar of sacrifice (Christ alone was sufficient for the remission of sins), Wesley, re-instituted the altar of incense (direct prayer to the Father through the Son only), Calvin re-instituted the laver (full immersion baptism) and the Adventist movement re-instituted the Ark of the Covenant (the keeping of the Law).

So just because Luther was not shown the light regarding Sabbath keeping or Wycliffe didn't understand the baptism issue doesn't mean they were not correct in the light that God gave them. Not all of the light that God would have for us was given to sister White but all will be revealed before the end.

 

[ricker]

We know from history that knowledge was given to different reformers to restore the sanctuary symbols that the Papacy had subverted. Wycliffe re-instituted the shewbread (the Word), Luther re-instituted the altar of sacrifice (Christ alone was sufficient for the remission of sins), Wesley, re-instituted the altar of incense (direct prayer to the Father through the Son only), Calvin re-instituted the laver (full immersion baptism) and the Adventist movement re-instituted the Ark of the Covenant (the keeping of the Law).

So just because Luther was not shown the light regarding Sabbath keeping or Wycliffe didn't understand the baptism issue doesn't mean they were not correct in the light that God gave them. Not all of the light that God would have for us was given to sister White but all will be revealed before the end.

I find it interesting that God would "allow" His followers to, say, worship on the wrong day, tolerate infant baptism, etc, by not showing Christians this "light" until He was ready to do so. If these doctrines were essential, why wouldn't God give us a prophet or something to set all these things straight at once long before Ms. White came along?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I find it interesting that God would "allow" His followers to, say, worship on the wrong day, tolerate infant baptism, etc, by not showing Christians this "light" until He was ready to do so. If these doctrines were essential, why wouldn't God give us a prophet or something to set all these things straight at once long before Ms. White came along?

Thats questioning the mind of God... I guess we'll find out if we get to ask Him.

 

[Stryder06]

I find it interesting that God would "allow" His followers to, say, worship on the wrong day, tolerate infant baptism, etc, by not showing Christians this "light" until He was ready to do so. If these doctrines were essential, why wouldn't God give us a prophet or something to set all these things straight at once long before Ms. White came along?

How long was Israel in apostasy before God would send prophets like Elijah and Isaiah along? How long had the Jewish leaders corrupted the application of the law of God before Christ came? The Lord does things according to His will. One can't say that something can't be right simply because God didn't do it as soon as they think He should have.

 

[ricker]

[Stryder06;58554467]How long was Israel in apostasy before God would send prophets like Elijah and Isaiah along?

Without doing a timeline I don't know, but probably not 1700 years.

How long had the Jewish leaders corrupted the application of the law of God before Christ came?

And God constantly sent prophets to try to correct them.

The Lord does things according to His will. One can't say that something can't be right simply because God didn't do it as soon as they think He should have.

Like I said, I just find it interesting.

Here is a list of old testament prophets from Online Bible.org.
Seems like God had lots to say to Israel when they strayed.

The names of the Judge Prophets of the Old Testament are as follows:
Eli
Gideon
Elkanah
Samuel

The names of the King's Prophets of the Old Testament are as follows:
Nathan
Gad
Ahimelech
Abiathar
Shemaiah
Iddo
The names of the Prophets of Israel are as follows:
Ahijah
Micaiah
Beeri
Hosea
Amos
Jonah
Elijah
Elisha
Oded

The names of the Prophets of Judah are as follows:
Oded the Exhorter
Azariah
Hanani
Jehu
Jahaziel
Eliezer
Obadiah
Joel
Zechariah
Amoz
Isaiah
Zechariah
Micah
Nahum
Maaseiah
Neriah
Jeremiah
Baruch
Zephaniah
Habakkuk
Urijah
The names of the Captive Prophets are as follows:
Daniel
Ezekiel
Mordecai
Seraiah

The names of the Prophets of the Return are as follows:
Ezra
Haggai
Malachi
Nehemiah
Zechariah

 

[ricker]

Thats questioning the mind of God... I guess we'll find out if we get to ask Him.

You are of course right. I know my observation doesn't prove anything, but it is a valid observation and could give one pause for reflection.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You are of course right. I know my observation doesn't prove anything, but it is a valid observation and could give one pause for reflection.

As I said to K4C in another thread, nothing wrong with food for thought as long as we ask for guidance by the Holy Spirit.

 

[ricker]

As I said to K4C in another thread, nothing wrong with food for thought as long as we ask for guidance by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Princessdi]

Yes, she did. She said use it to raise funds for the poor, etc. Placing monetary donation in the stead of decorations. She also talked about opening our homes to neighbors fior refreshments and games at that festive time of year as a witness, and what type of gifts(books, educational gifts) for children. She never, ever said not to celebrate as some would have us believe, but only gave alternatives to the unwise and over spending that was such a concern in those(and these) days.

come to thing about it, didnt EGW prescribe a christmas tree?? and that we should put our gift under it, I mean a christmas tree in church and stuff, I could wrong about it...