.

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That issue goes beyond schoolhouse teaching...

Ah.... 'no worries' --- we are on different parallel tracks , not contradicting the other , just
a different persective.
Note - Joseph I was referring to is the one sold as a slave by his brothers,
not the husband of Mary...

Likewise about education --- the ones I mentioned in the Bible, and in recent times,
ESCAPED the TRAPS of SOCIETY and HYPOCRISY and SIN //
of the powers in charge of the countries and of the liars in charge of politics and of medicine and of financial dealings / control and so forth.

In the Bible, or later, they received EDUCATION and UNexpectedly (from the world) LIVED RIGHTEOUS and GOOD LIVES....
How, ? NOT by the world's system of education(by which most fall and fail anyway)
but YES, BY GOD'S FAITHFULNESS,
trusting in God, trusting in Jesus, and RELYING on GOD, instead of man, for truth.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Of our seven children, five have never seen the inside of a government school. I don't judge parents who turn their children over to the government to raise, because we've all been so brainwashed to believe government schools are wonderful places that want the best for our children that they may sincerely believe that, but I don't get it.

We think that entrusting our children government-run schools is normal and right way to educate our children, but it's really not. I remember when it struck me how crazy it actually was. When you give it some thought, it nuts, but it's been normalized, just like everything else that would have shocked us years ago, it happens slowly.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Ah.... 'no worries' --- we are on different parallel tracks , not contradicting the other , just
a different persective.
Note - Joseph I was referring to is the one sold as a slave by his brothers,
not the husband of Mary...

Likewise about education --- the ones I mentioned in the Bible, and in recent times,
ESCAPED the TRAPS of SOCIETY and HYPOCRISY and SIN //
of the powers in charge of the countries and of the liars in charge of politics and of medicine and of financial dealings / control and so forth.

In the Bible, or later, they received EDUCATION and UNexpectedly (from the world) LIVED RIGHTEOUS and GOOD LIVES....
How, ? NOT by the world's system of education(by which most fall and fail anyway)
but YES, BY GOD'S FAITHFULNESS,
trusting in God, trusting in Jesus, and RELYING on GOD, instead of man, for truth.

Ok yea lets stop i see that too perhaps we are arguing two sides of the same coin, not necessarily disagreeing.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What's the best way to educate your children?

It really depends on the children. If they are advanced then they get a much better education in public schools. There is just no comparison, they can graduate from High School with a 2 year college degree all paid for by the High school. If you afford a high priced private school some students can get a better education there then in public schools. I do not think there is a one size fits all because everyone has different needs. In some cases there are people that feel they are better off home schooling. But I am not a big home schooling fan. Students need to develop social and communication skills. In some cases that is more important then the education. I see people that have Medical Degrees or PhD's that are a flat line when it comes to social skills. They would have been much better to concentrate on developing those skills before they got their higher education. Government schools are find for students that are smart enough to see where they Gov is trying to brain wash them and they laugh it off and don't allow the propaganda to effect them. If they are not smart enough to figure that out then indoctrinate them into a system that agrees with your values.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Students need to develop social and communication skills.

That's a liberal talking point with no basis in reality. Home-schooled children are MORE socialized and better communicators than public school kids. Go meet some. That will dispel the myth for you.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

If they are not smart enough to figure that out then indoctrinate them into a system that agrees with your values.

Thats' kind of insulting, don't you think? Smart kids = public school. Dumb kids = home school.

 

[South Bound]

We think that entrusting our children government-run schools is normal and right way to educate our children, but it's really not. I remember when it struck me how crazy it actually was. When you give it some thought, it nuts, but it's been normalized, just like everything else that would have shocked us years ago, it happens slowly.

I can make it even crazier for you: I was a government school teacher for several years.

We decided to homeschool our children for reasons mostly unrelated to the schools. It wasn't until later that I came to realize what a terrible idea government schools are.

Homeschooling was the best thing we ever did.

 

[South Bound]

It really depends on the children. If they are advanced then they get a much better education in public schools.

Actually, they don't. Advanced students are often neglected because government schools are gear toward the median students. Teachers have to teach to the whole class, which means that advanced students have to wait for those behind them to catch up.

Students need to develop social and communication skills.

All the more reason not to lock them up in a room with other children for eight hours a day, but have them interact with people out in the real world.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Actually, they don't.

Like I said, the High School will pay the advanced students to go to the University. My son graduated with one year of college credits. The University billed the High School $9,000. I thought I was going to have to pay taxes on that money but then it turns out I did not have to. He has friends that graduated from High School with two years worth of High School Credits. He wanted to take a class using a 3D printer and there was a conflict with marching band. I talked to the High School and they added that class and he took it the next semester. The main thing is they need to be willing to work hard. He took his Problems in Democracy class in summer school and he had to read the whole book in two or three weeks. So he was reading three chapters every day. He graduated from high school with $24,000 worth of scholarships. The students that got two years of college credits got more scholarships then he did. He had to compete against them and they were more qualified because they worked even harder then he did.

That adds up to $33,000 worth of free college Education and there are others that get even more. My dad got a full ride in College and a full ride in Medical school They paid for everything. His father sold tickets for the rail road and made very little money. There is no way he could have afforded to send my dad to the University much less medical school.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Thats' kind of insulting, don't you think? Smart kids = public school. Dumb kids = home school.

It really has nothing to do with how smart or dumb people are. It has everything to do with how hard they are willing to work. When my brother went to medical school he was spending up to 12 hours a day to study and to read his text books. Most people are just not willing to work that hard. He actually is not that smart. He is just willing to work harder then most people are willing to work.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's a liberal talking point with no basis in reality.

Do you even realize how far a statement like that goes to proves my point?
I will just hand the shovel back to you and let you dig yourself a deeper hole.

 

[fat wee robin]

From what I've seen, homeschooling can provide the kind of academic rigor which just can't be found in public schools, and talk about individual attention and customization for each child! Where is the down side to homeschooling?

Well we all went to public school in Scotland or Ireland, and 5 out of six got degrees , and the last one is doing very well indeed . Homeschooling would be stifling for us ,and not even considered . Just for your info .

 

[fat wee robin]

It really has nothing to do with how smart or dumb people are. It has everything to do with how hard they are willing to work. When my brother went to medical school he was spending up to 12 hours a day to study and to read his text books. Most people are just not willing to work that hard. He actually is not that smart. He is just willing to work harder then most people are willing to work.

I agree about the" being not that smart" .I noted how many professinals in certain jobs are not very bright .

 

[fat wee robin]

How is the UK for homeschooling? Does the government have much control over curriculum?

There is no such thing ,or it is a rarity and very recent if at all .

 

[South Bound]

That adds up to $33,000 worth of free college Education and there are others that get even more.

No, it wasn't "free". You just freeloaded off of taxpayers. Taking other people's money doesn't mean something is "free".

 

[jimmyjimmy]

High School will pay

High schools have no money. It's my money, your money, and your neighbor's money, and I would rather spend it the way I choose than have it taken from me to pay someone's college tuition.

 

[GillDouglas]

We think that entrusting our children government-run schools is normal and right way to educate our children, but it's really not. I remember when it struck me how crazy it actually was. When you give it some thought, it nuts, but it's been normalized, just like everything else that would have shocked us years ago, it happens slowly.

Agreed. It is much the same with the way the modern birth of a child has been normalized and considered the 'right' way. Yes some pregnancies require intervention, just as some children excel in the public school system. This does not mean that this is the norm.

I was public schooled, and my wife was home schooled. Her and her sisters are highly intelligent, educated and well cultured despite the stereotype. We plan to home school our children and are open to other means if they require 'intervention'.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Agreed. It is much the same with the way the modern birth of a child has been normalized and considered the 'right' way. Yes some pregnancies require intervention, just as some children excel in the public school system. This does not mean that this is the norm.

I was public schooled, and my wife was home schooled. Her and her sisters are highly intelligent, educated and well cultured despite the stereotype. We plan to home school our children and are open to other means if they require 'intervention'.

If you told most people it's OK to give birth at home they would think you're nuts, and if you told them it's better to educate your children at home, they would think the same thing; however, they would be wrong on both counts.

 

[grandvizier1006]

It depends on the child, but also the parent. the two years of homeschooling I had (not through my parents) were terrible for me personally, but from what I gathered the other kids I associated with were decent people, even though they had similar beliefs (YEC, Calvinism, etc.) and the homeschoolers I've met in college are very socialized.

I should also point out that homeschooling is illegal in many countries. It's pretty much the Anglo-sphere alone that allows it.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

It depends on the child, but also the parent. the two years of homeschooling I had (not through my parents) were terrible for me personally, but from what I gathered the other kids I associated with were decent people, even though they had similar beliefs (YEC, Calvinism, etc.) and the homeschoolers I've met in college are very socialized.

I should also point out that homeschooling is illegal in many countries. It's pretty much the Anglo-sphere alone that allows it.

Why do you say that it dependent on the child?