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[Angel75]

Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and the Evil of the 700 Club.

I will be the first to admit I was far from being a Dale Earnhardt fan, nor do I feel he's a national hero. But I certainly feel bad for anybody who loses a loved one as Dale Earnhardt, Jr did. I feel even worse when Christians use a personal disaster to their advantage. Maybe you've heard about this.

Dale Earnhardt, Jr has been declining to do interviews since his father's death, rightfully so, after all it was his dad, let private things remain private. He had never planned an "exclusive" interview regarding his dad's death, to anybody. He did consent to speak on the NASCAR chaplain's advice for a small special on the 700 Club. The piece was about the NASCAR chaplain, and it was just going to have a small sound bite from Dale Earnhardt, Jr... so he thought.

The CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network, Pat Robertson's network to push propaganda on) crews came and set up for the interview. Once the tape was rolling, they ambushed Dale Earnhardt, Jr into a full out interview about his father. Dale was afraid of looking bad, so he answered question after question, questions he never wanted to answer for anyone. If this wasn't enough, after the ambush, the interviewer opened up a bag of Dale Earnhardt, Jr products for Dale to sign, which he did in fear of looking bad.

When the segment aired, it was an exclusive interview with Dale Earnhardt, Jr... there was brief mention of the chaplain, but only in passing. In fact, on the front page of the 700 Club homepage (I refuse to link them) it reads and I quote "EXCLUSIVE Dale Earnhardt Jr. Interview Dale reveals how the death of his father has changed him completely". When you read the interview, Dale Beaver (the chaplain) is mentioned once. It fails to mention how Scott Ross (the interviewer) got this exclusive through blackmail and flat out lies.

His utter disrespect for fellow humans just shows what the entire CBN is all about. Lies, deception, corruption, and greed. He can deny it until he's blue in the face, but it just shows that EVERYTHING he has his hands in is corrupt, fraudulent, and is in need of serious investigation. I hope Dale Earnhardt Jr forgets about how he looks long enough to sue Pat Robertson into a cardboard box.

A Little Bit More about the 700 Club


Have you ever wondered what the 700 club is? It sounds like a nice club, like the Volkswagen club, or a bridge club, right? Well, it's not like that, you don't need any special interests, skills, or cars... heck you don't even need to be Christian to be in the 700 club. All you need is $20 per month.

There are other clubs too... the 700 Club is the most known because it cheapest... the others are as follows:


The 700 Club Gold, this one costs twice as much as the plain 700 club, $40/$480.
The 1000 Club, a steal at $84 per month, or $1,000 per year.
The 2500 Club, a bargain at $209 per month, or $2,500 per year
The Founder's Club, same price as a new fully loaded car, $417 per month, $5,000 per year.
The funny thing is this, there is no mention of anything that you get in return. You just get to say you're a member... no cards, no swimsuit issue, not even a lava lamp.

Still have money left over, well for $10,000 per year (only $834 per month) you can become part of the Chairman's Circle. For $10,000, you get: A monthly conference call with Pat Robertson (maybe a "sound alike" we've already established the integrity of this organization).
A monthly personal prayer call. Whatever that is, no details are given... better be a call from God for $10,000.
Monthly series of audio tapes. That's right, not even CDs. I bet that's what $20,000 per year would get you.
Monthly newsletter, whoop-dee-do. GI Joe has one of those... and it's free.
A pin. Wow.



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just an article i read from this site.. www.biblebabble.com

 

[Blindfaith]

What is the question regarding Philosophy or Morality? Could you be more specific in what you're asking or is this an attempt to make people admit they donate to the 700 Club so they can be ridiculed?

 

[Angel75]

What is the question regarding Philosophy or Morality? Could you be more specific in what you're asking or is this an attempt to make people admit they donate to the 700 Club so they can be ridiculed?

true. maybe it should be in apologetics. maybe it should be in a general "lounge" area, one open for topics that dont really fit in any specific area. and maybe calling people morons if tey send money to these people is rude. i will edit that out. It has always been obvious to me that televangelists are mostly crooks. wondering why it isnt obvious to everyone i guess. and askin if anyone sends money to these wacks was meant playfully. wasnt planning on attacking em. but i do think it is worthy of discussion. Do you sendmoney to the 700 club or any other televangelists? if so, are you sure that is wise, and it is going to the right cause?

 

[Blindfaith]

No, I do not.

I sponser 4 kids through World Vision instead and help those who need it.

But, if people choose to send their money to the 700 club, it's their business to do so, even if it doesn't seem wise.

God can do wonders through anything - including the use of tv evangelists.

 

[Blessed75]

lol.....sorry amy i just read your post and boy are you on a roll today!

Hmmm, touchy touchy subject. Although I agree with you - I also agree with Blindfaith as well. Do you feel better though since you got that out of your system? Sorry, I know it's not funny but I can just picture you sitting in my living room ranting about it......

 

[kimber1]

WOW!! I was actually pretty amazed when I read this thread as up until recently when the kiddies came out of school and took over my tv i watched the 700 club everyday. I somehow missed that interview with Dale jr. though ( cause as some of you know he is just my fave in Nascar!!!) I guess I never looked at it as an evil thing to be watching. It was somehting on Christianity which you don't come across on tv much these days. But it sounds like a public apology to Dale jr. would be in order seeing as how they handled the whole interview. (and by the way---no i don't send money to them either)

 

[Angel75]

God can do wonders through anything - including the use of tv evangelists.

but the people working in his name should be a little more godly. and they are found out and still supported, it sickens me. but god forbid two loving men want to share a life. they can screw people (figuratively) and be dishonest all they want..but god forbid they practice love.

 

[Blessed75]

Yes I agree - they should be Godly but IMO they are not - others would disagree. However, I do know speaking from experience that those Un-Godly people whatever they're intentions were have helped me through some rough times. I am well aware of the lying, deceit etc. that goes on behind the scenes. Fortunately for me, I was able to take what I needed and leave the rest. I do not support any of these clubs etc. but if people want to -it's their prerogative. I worked in a christian bookstore which I will not name but if you could have seen what went on behind the scenes - it would really make you sick to your stomach - BUT there was good that came out of that store as well. God can use everyone, no matter what the intentions may be. Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I know that Angel75 post sounded harsh to others but knowing her personally, i can honestly say that her post was written outta frustration and it's a frustration that I can relate to.

 

[Blindfaith]

I think we all can be a little more Godly And I'll put myself at the top of the list folks - I'm not exempt.

But as far as posts are concerned, you gotta read what you put in, even if it's from a link.

'Nuff said.

 

[feral]

I've never been into Dale Earnhardt, but I watch the 700 club rabidly. It's rather amusing to watch Pat Robertson get worked up about things. From reading your post, that doesn't sound right or fair to encourage Dale Jr. to talk about his dead father, but then again, I'm sure he could have refused the interview. It doesn't look bad to avoid talking about dead loved ones, it just looks like you aren't interested in discussing personal life. Then again, such is the price of fame.
The 700 club and all of those televangelism clubs and programs don't seem to be doing much good. I don't respect Pat Robertson, just because of his militant homophobia and his post September 11th comments. I think he is more interested in espousing his own views then sharing religion, and since his views are extreme he drives people away from his religion. Being agnostic, I mostly watch the show just to make fun.

 

[platzapS]

I was watching the 700 Club the other day while flipping the channels, and I saw something very strange. The guy on there talked about how Bush's "Road Map to Peace" is taking up the God-given (according to Jews and Christians) Holy Land of Israel and giving it to the Palestinians. That is a point that is worthy of debate.

However, it compared that situation with violent storms hitting the USA. He thought God was punishing the United States with storms! Maybe we should look at natural causes for these weather patterns rather than resorting to thirteenth-century logic.

 

[stumpsitting101]

It appears to me that the reporter in the OP was very apt in selective and suggestive reporting. Using phrases as "Ambushed" "Afraid", and once empathy set in, Brings out the nail to play on the public's feelings; the Bag of goodies to sign.

I think Feral made a good observaton: Since this interview was recorded, and had to go through editing, (not a live interview), Dale Jr. could have at any time quite the interview or declined to answer. Yet it was his decision to keep talking.

Now that's the way I see it.
Ken

 

[jon1101]

From what I've seen, Mr. Robertson gives plenty of incentives for joining the club. For example, the first and only time I've watched the 700 Club there was a testimonial on how, if you give money to Pat Robertson, God will give you your money back several times over. Somehow I doubt his integrity.

 

[sad astronaut]

Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and the Evil of the 700 Club.

I will be the first to admit I was far from being a Dale Earnhardt fan, nor do I feel he's a national hero. But I certainly feel bad for anybody who loses a loved one as Dale Earnhardt, Jr did. I feel even worse when Christians use a personal disaster to their advantage. Maybe you've heard about this.

Dale Earnhardt, Jr has been declining to do interviews since his father's death, rightfully so, after all it was his dad, let private things remain private. He had never planned an "exclusive" interview regarding his dad's death, to anybody. He did consent to speak on the NASCAR chaplain's advice for a small special on the 700 Club. The piece was about the NASCAR chaplain, and it was just going to have a small sound bite from Dale Earnhardt, Jr... so he thought.

The CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network, Pat Robertson's network to push propaganda on) crews came and set up for the interview. Once the tape was rolling, they ambushed Dale Earnhardt, Jr into a full out interview about his father. Dale was afraid of looking bad, so he answered question after question, questions he never wanted to answer for anyone. If this wasn't enough, after the ambush, the interviewer opened up a bag of Dale Earnhardt, Jr products for Dale to sign, which he did in fear of looking bad.

When the segment aired, it was an exclusive interview with Dale Earnhardt, Jr... there was brief mention of the chaplain, but only in passing. In fact, on the front page of the 700 Club homepage (I refuse to link them) it reads and I quote "EXCLUSIVE Dale Earnhardt Jr. Interview Dale reveals how the death of his father has changed him completely". When you read the interview, Dale Beaver (the chaplain) is mentioned once. It fails to mention how Scott Ross (the interviewer) got this exclusive through blackmail and flat out lies.

His utter disrespect for fellow humans just shows what the entire CBN is all about. Lies, deception, corruption, and greed. He can deny it until he's blue in the face, but it just shows that EVERYTHING he has his hands in is corrupt, fraudulent, and is in need of serious investigation. I hope Dale Earnhardt Jr forgets about how he looks long enough to sue Pat Robertson into a cardboard box.

A Little Bit More about the 700 Club


Have you ever wondered what the 700 club is? It sounds like a nice club, like the Volkswagen club, or a bridge club, right? Well, it's not like that, you don't need any special interests, skills, or cars... heck you don't even need to be Christian to be in the 700 club. All you need is $20 per month.

There are other clubs too... the 700 Club is the most known because it cheapest... the others are as follows:


The 700 Club Gold, this one costs twice as much as the plain 700 club, $40/$480.
The 1000 Club, a steal at $84 per month, or $1,000 per year.
The 2500 Club, a bargain at $209 per month, or $2,500 per year
The Founder's Club, same price as a new fully loaded car, $417 per month, $5,000 per year.
The funny thing is this, there is no mention of anything that you get in return. You just get to say you're a member... no cards, no swimsuit issue, not even a lava lamp.

Still have money left over, well for $10,000 per year (only $834 per month) you can become part of the Chairman's Circle. For $10,000, you get: A monthly conference call with Pat Robertson (maybe a "sound alike" we've already established the integrity of this organization).
A monthly personal prayer call. Whatever that is, no details are given... better be a call from God for $10,000.
Monthly series of audio tapes. That's right, not even CDs. I bet that's what $20,000 per year would get you.
Monthly newsletter, whoop-dee-do. GI Joe has one of those... and it's free.
A pin. Wow.



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just an article i read from this site.. www.biblebabble.com

Okay, what is your point concerning the cost of the 700 club? Does the 700 club deceive people, say the club is actually less than it really is, or say they will give more than they actually do? If so, there would be a problem. If the 700 club is being deceptive, that can be an issue. But if it's just a matter of a club being more expensive than you think it ought to be, then that is the members's problems, not yours. This is more of a consumer reports type matter, not an issue of morality.

And about the interview with Dale Jr., did you read in a report that he was "ambushed", that the 700 club was deceptive about their intentions for the interview? Where are you getting your sources? I know you read the interview and that speaks for itself, but did Dale Jr. tell someone he was deceived? As far as I know, you have nothing to go on saying he was ambushed.

 

[Angel75]

Okay, what is your point concerning the cost of the 700 club? Does the 700 club deceive people, say the club is actually less than it really is, or say they will give more than they actually do? If so, there would be a problem. If the 700 club is being deceptive, that can be an issue. But if it's just a matter of a club being more expensive than you think it ought to be, then that is the members's problems, not yours. This is more of a consumer reports type matter, not an issue of morality.

And about the interview with Dale Jr., did you read in a report that he was "ambushed", that the 700 club was deceptive about their intentions for the interview? Where are you getting your sources? I know you read the interview and that speaks for itself, but did Dale Jr. tell someone he was deceived? As far as I know, you have nothing to go on saying he was ambushed.

My aunt and uncle who I love more than life itself, the sweetest old people in world, when they were here, dedicated so much to fools like this. That is why it is my problem.

as for the second paragraph. i dont get it...what do you mean by "you have nothing to go on saying he was ambushed"
the whole post was an article i linked to. I said nothing. (except JUST AN ARTICLE I READ AT....)

If you think this article is false then by all means, discredit it. I was merely posting one tiny article i came across pertaining to one of the many christian jokes on tv.

Folks like this do nothing for the advancement of your religion. I watch every religious show i see, trying to find sincerity in one.

I gotta admit, I don't think I found a problem with Joyce Meyer the few times i watched her, but she wasn't demanding money every 2 minutes either.

 

[Marcel]

Maybe you could've made a more distinct division between what's yours and what's quoted, by using actual quotation marks, or perhaps the vBcode quotebox, or your little disclaimer at the top in stead of the bottom...

...I can see how the formula in which you poured it could've thrown people off a bit.

 

[S8472]

I read the above in the above and was very shocked. Not shocked in finding out the different levels of donations to the 700 club, but shocked in judgemental accusitory tone of the whole thing. I then went to register so I could reply and was shocked again when I had to click that I agreed to the rules to register because rule[font=&quot] 2.3[/font][font=&quot] says You will not post anything that puts down or belittles any Christian group or denomination.
I don't agree with everything the 700 club does, but first of all the amount of money that you give is for God and to further his glory and to serve his purpose. To expect anything in return whether it be cd's or a pin is contradictory to the bible. You should give to God and not expect anything in return. The only thing I see wrong having watched the 700 club myself is that during their pledge drives for money they flash on the bottom of the screen the persons first name, city, and donation amount. This is wrong in that we should not let anyone know how much we give to God because it can lead to pride which is one of the seven deadly sins.
Luke 6:37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you." NKJV
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[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and the Evil of the 700 Club.

I will be the first to admit I was far from being a Dale Earnhardt fan, nor do I feel he's a national hero. But I certainly feel bad for anybody who loses a loved one as Dale Earnhardt, Jr did. I feel even worse when Christians use a personal disaster to their advantage. Maybe you've heard about this.

Dale Earnhardt, Jr has been declining to do interviews since his father's death, rightfully so, after all it was his dad, let private things remain private. He had never planned an "exclusive" interview regarding his dad's death, to anybody. He did consent to speak on the NASCAR chaplain's advice for a small special on the 700 Club. The piece was about the NASCAR chaplain, and it was just going to have a small sound bite from Dale Earnhardt, Jr... so he thought.

The CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network, Pat Robertson's network to push propaganda on) crews came and set up for the interview. Once the tape was rolling, they ambushed Dale Earnhardt, Jr into a full out interview about his father. Dale was afraid of looking bad, so he answered question after question, questions he never wanted to answer for anyone. If this wasn't enough, after the ambush, the interviewer opened up a bag of Dale Earnhardt, Jr products for Dale to sign, which he did in fear of looking bad.

When the segment aired, it was an exclusive interview with Dale Earnhardt, Jr... there was brief mention of the chaplain, but only in passing. In fact, on the front page of the 700 Club homepage (I refuse to link them) it reads and I quote "EXCLUSIVE Dale Earnhardt Jr. Interview Dale reveals how the death of his father has changed him completely". When you read the interview, Dale Beaver (the chaplain) is mentioned once. It fails to mention how Scott Ross (the interviewer) got this exclusive through blackmail and flat out lies.

His utter disrespect for fellow humans just shows what the entire CBN is all about. Lies, deception, corruption, and greed. He can deny it until he's blue in the face, but it just shows that EVERYTHING he has his hands in is corrupt, fraudulent, and is in need of serious investigation. I hope Dale Earnhardt Jr forgets about how he looks long enough to sue Pat Robertson into a cardboard box.

A Little Bit More about the 700 Club


Have you ever wondered what the 700 club is? It sounds like a nice club, like the Volkswagen club, or a bridge club, right? Well, it's not like that, you don't need any special interests, skills, or cars... heck you don't even need to be Christian to be in the 700 club. All you need is $20 per month.

There are other clubs too... the 700 Club is the most known because it cheapest... the others are as follows:


The 700 Club Gold, this one costs twice as much as the plain 700 club, $40/$480.
The 1000 Club, a steal at $84 per month, or $1,000 per year.
The 2500 Club, a bargain at $209 per month, or $2,500 per year
The Founder's Club, same price as a new fully loaded car, $417 per month, $5,000 per year.
The funny thing is this, there is no mention of anything that you get in return. You just get to say you're a member... no cards, no swimsuit issue, not even a lava lamp.

Still have money left over, well for $10,000 per year (only $834 per month) you can become part of the Chairman's Circle. For $10,000, you get: A monthly conference call with Pat Robertson (maybe a "sound alike" we've already established the integrity of this organization).
A monthly personal prayer call. Whatever that is, no details are given... better be a call from God for $10,000.
Monthly series of audio tapes. That's right, not even CDs. I bet that's what $20,000 per year would get you.
Monthly newsletter, whoop-dee-do. GI Joe has one of those... and it's free.
A pin. Wow.



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just an article i read from this site.. www.biblebabble.com

I've been meaning to post an OP on the 700 club anyway, so thanks. I'm not sure about the article itself, but... the 700 club to me, seems quite evil. I watch it on a regualr basis, just because I like to see all sides of things. The thing that really makes me sick about the 700 club is the way in which they try to get people to give them money. They have "testimonies" on there of people that, when out of money, donated money to the 700 club, then all of the sudden found themselves with more money than they oculd ever need. I think that this is a horrible trick, made so the 700 club can get money. They basically tell people that if they have no money, struggling to eat, to live, to just donate some money to the 700 club, and all will be okay.

It makes me totally sick.

 

[Lokisdottir]

I don't agree with everything the 700 club does, but first of all the amount of money that you give is for God and to further his glory and to serve his purpose. To expect anything in return whether it be cd's or a pin is contradictory to the bible. You should give to God and not expect anything in return.

But the money is not going to God, it's fattening Pat Robertson's wallet. If he was donating the money to the sick and the needy, then I could see how it might be considered godly to send him money, but all it's doing is making him richer. How is this "furthering God's glory and serving his purpose"?

It seems the only reason to do this is to sacrifice something you worked hard to earn, in order to please God. If that's the case, why not just burn it or bury it? It does the same amount of good as sending it to Pat Robertson.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

How Robertson used CBN to enrich himself:

http://www.cursor.org/stories/selfdealing.htm