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Daniel 9:2 says: “In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes.”

Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?
 
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friend of said:
So many posts and yet nobody knows what they're talking about! Lol
jeffweedaman said:
Care to enlighten us friend.
Not really. I have no idea what's going on in this thread anyway
So, apparently, you are actually the one who doesn't know what they're talking about?
 
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What a lot of you don't grasp or seem to want to grasp, the way you are understanding some of these things, which is basically how I'm understanding some of these things, can actually work with a gap in the 70 weeks.
 
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I appreciate your desire to make sense of Daniel's prophecy. I think there's a big hermeneutical difference between us which is leading to a very different interpretation of Daniel 9 as well as other eschatological passages (e.g., Revelation 13:5). Unpacking all of our hermeneutical principles and presuppositions would be daunting for a single post.

Instead I'd like to ask you what you mean when you say that "there has to be a gap somewhere in the 70 weeks". Daniel doesn't mention a gap. He talks about 70 sevens but doesn't state in the text that this prophetic period is not contiguous. How are you concluding that a gap must exist?
 
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The vision is 2300 days, not years of the SDA view,

This day-year principle specifically applies to prophecy and is used for prophetic interpretation of "days" in prophecies.

So you use the day-year principle in prophecy only in some occasions to support your interpretation, but not "days" in all prophesy.

It is amazing that in the vision given to Daniel you apply the principle to the 70 weeks (490 years) but not to the 2300 days in the same prophecy.

This indicates that you are making THE WORD OF GOD fit you interpretation instead of letting the bible explain itself.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST is consistent, you are not.
 
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What a lot of you don't grasp or seem to want to grasp, the way you are understanding some of these things, which is basically how I'm understanding some of these things, can actually work with a gap in the 70 weeks.
If you could just show something (anything!) within the prophecy itself that would even remotely hint at there being a gap somewhere within the 70 weeks, that would be very helpful. Can you do that? If not, then I see no reason that we need to grasp what you're grasping.
 
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So, apparently, you are actually the one who doesn't know what they're talking about?

Right. It's just me. Everyone else in this thread is correct.
 
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Yes, just as Daniels prophecy says. The end of the 69th 'week'.

Please explain how you interpret this verse as when Jesus died on the cross the curtain was rent thus doing away with animal sacrifices

Daniel 9:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

midst
/midst,mitst/

preposition
archaic•literary
preposition: midst
  1. in the middle of.
noun
noun: midst; plural noun: midsts
the middle point or part
 
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Christ made full atonement for the world when he died. This is fundamental to all Christians.

Making an end of sin and atonement for iniquity is dependent of course upon THOSE WHO BELIEVE on Jesus.

Since when did the majority of orthodox Jews believe on Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah?
 
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What a lot of you don't grasp or seem to want to grasp, the way you are understanding some of these things, which is basically how I'm understanding some of these things, can actually work with a gap in the 70 weeks.

Can you give me another example in Scripture of such a decapitation of a harmonious time-period - like where God says 7 days and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 days, or 7 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 years, or 70 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 70 years? Anything?
 
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Making an end of sin and atonement for iniquity is dependent of course upon THOSE WHO BELIEVE on Jesus.

Since when did the majority of orthodox Jews believe on Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah?

Where did it ever say they would? Did Jesus not tell Israel in Mat 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen"?

Orthodox Jews are the spiritual offspring of the Pharisees.
 
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I would appreciate that all on this thread who believe in the gap theory for the 70 weeks prophecy would be honest and admit that it is a Jesuit counter reformation teaching that they are following.

That is the origin of the gap theory
 
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I would think that the 70 weeks should be taken in the same context as the 70 years of captivity that had no gap.
 
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Right. It's just me. Everyone else in this thread is correct.
No, not everyone. But, you said everyone didn't know what they were talking about. How would you know that when you admitted yourself that you don't know what you're talking about?
 
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I would appreciate that all on this thread who believe in the gap theory for the 70 weeks prophecy would be honest and admit that it is a Jesuit counter reformation teaching that they are following.

That is the origin of the gap theory
I would say that the 70th week still being unfulfilled is counter to the reformation teachings on eschatology, and who is the Antichrist, and replacement theology, yes. But I would not taint it with the Jesuits who claim that the Pope is the representative for Jesus.
 
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Making an end of sin and atonement for iniquity is dependent of course upon THOSE WHO BELIEVE on Jesus.
No, it is not. Jesus is the only One who could fulfill what is written in Daniel 9:24-27.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.

If it was up to mortal, sinful man to fulfill the prophecy instead of Our God and Savior Jesus Christ then the prophecy would never be fulfilled.

Since when did the majority of orthodox Jews believe on Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah?
It would be great if they did, but it's not reasonable to think that they ever will. But, that has nothing to do with Daniel's 70 week prophecy, anyway.
 
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No, not everyone. But, you said everyone didn't know what they were talking about. How would you know that when you admitted yourself that you don't know what you're talking about?

Because of all the conflicting reports. Someone has to be wrong, right?
 
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I would think that the 70 weeks should be taken in the same context as the 70 years of captivity that had no gap.
Agree. If someone could show a gap within any of the prophecies in scripture that mention specific time periods (the thousand years, the 70 years of captivity that you mentioned, 2300 days, 1260 days, etc.) then they might have a point. But, otherwise, there is no evidence whatsoever for the idea that any of the prophecies in scripture that are said to last for a certain time period have a gap.
 
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Because of all the conflicting reports. Someone has to be wrong, right?
Yes, but not necessarily everyone, as you claimed. That is my point. Maybe you should not try to say that everyone doesn't know what they're talking about when you admitted yourself that you don't know what's going on in this thread.

You were invited to enlighten all of us and you declined. That was apparently because you don't know the correct interpretation of the prophecy yourself. So, how can you even know that everyone else is incorrect or not with that being the case? The only thing we know for sure is that not everyone is correct since there are conflicting interpretations. But, it's not right to say that everyone doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
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Daniel 11:36-Daniel 12:13 is end times. Daniel 11:36 is preceded by v35 as the transition verse, while the verses and events before it are historic.

Daniel 11:40, time of the end.

Daniel 12:4, time of the end. Daniel 12:7, time/times/half times. Daniel 12:11, 1290 days. Daniel 12:12, 1335 days.
 
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