70 weeks

nolidad said:

which is the end of the 70th week.

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Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18, show the 70th week was fulfilled during the first century.


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nolidad said:

The how is in gods hand. The when is when Jesus returns and grants the 1/3 Jews who survived the tribulation period (Zech 13) entrance into the kingdom which is the end of the 70th week.

Three days prior to Jesus return, the vail will be removed from the 1/3, they will see Jesus is Messiah and will pray to HIm and ask Him to return according to the psalms and fulfilment of Matthew when Jesus said they would not see Him AGAIN, UNTIL they say Blessed is he....).

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But, what is your understanding of making an end of sins? Making an end of sins in what sense?

BABerean2 said:

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


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Romans 11:25-28
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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

nolidad said:

Romans 11:25-28
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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

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Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


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BABerean2 said:

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18, show the 70th week was fulfilled during the first century.


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I await your grammatic and biblical evidence that shows that the new covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Has anything to do with the furtherance of the gospel in the order Jesus gave to the Apostles.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

what does that have to do with the terms of the New Covenant and supposedly fulfilling those terms?

Jeremiah 31:31-34
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Spiritual Jew said:

But, what is your understanding of making an end of sins? Making an end of sins in what sense?

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Just like it says- ceasing sins to be committed. It is not translated exactly like that, but when you parse out teh Hebrew, it means for Daniels people to stop sinning!

BABerean2 said:

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


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Romans 9:6-10
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6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

nolidad said:

Well you say teh sin problem has been resolved- yet over 40 years later Israel was exiled in the diaspora!
Doesn't fit your timeline at all!

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Forty years later than what? The Cross?

nolidad said:

So Daniel is not part of those who God keeps covenant with? He uses "we" which includes Daniel?

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Of course Daniel is included in those who God keeps His covenant with.

What this prayer of Daniel's reveals (along with David's life and writing) is that God didn't expect perfection....and God extended grace and mercy to those with a contrite heart (and all of the Israelites whose hearts aligned with Daniel's prayer - I believe - are who we ought to consider "Daniel's people").

nolidad said:

Just like it says- ceasing sins to be committed. It is not translated exactly like that, but when you parse out teh Hebrew, it means for Daniels people to stop sinning!

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So, you don't think any Israelites or Jews will sin at all during the thousand years or during Satan's little season? If so, where do you get that from?

nolidad said:

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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nolidad said:

Just like it says- ceasing sins to be committed. It is not translated exactly like that, but when you parse out teh Hebrew, it means for Daniels people to stop sinning!

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Demonstrate for us how you "parse out teh Hebrew" for it to mean for "Daniel's people to stop sinning ".

nolidad said:

so now you are redefining the term Gentile as well? And it doesn't mean the romans. These ten kings arise out of the time when the fourth beast kingdom rules the whole world as Daniel clearly and unambiguously says.

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No, it's not a redefinition.

Quoting Adam Maarschalk:
In Revelation 11:1-2 John was told about a 3.5 year period of tragedy that was about to come upon them:


The Greek word used here for “Gentiles” is “ethnos,” the counterpart of the Hebrew word “goy” in the Old Testament. In the past, I simply assumed that this must be a reference to the Romans who helped destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. I marked out 3.5 years from the time that Nero dispatched Vespasian as his war general (early 67 AD) until Vespasian’s son, Titus, oversaw the burning of the temple in August 70 AD.

However, the Romans did not trample the city of Jerusalem for 42 months. They only trampled Jerusalem during the 5-month siege of Titus in 70 AD.

In what sense were they “Gentiles,” though? Consider what [1] The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and [2] The Jewish Encyclopedia say about the use of the word “goy” in Scripture:

1. “The Hebrew word goy (plural goyim) means ‘nation.’ In Biblical usage it is applied also to Israel: ‘Ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation’ (goy kadosh; Ex. 19:6).”

Source: “Gentiles,” The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1941); Volume 4, p. 533.

1. “In the Hebrew of the Bible ‘goi’ and its plural ‘goyyim’ originally meant ‘nation,’ and were applied both to Israelites and to non-Israelites (Gen. xii. 2, xvii. 20; Ex. xiii. 3, xxxii. 10; Deut. iv. 7; viii. 9, 14; Num. xiv. 12; Isa. i. 4, ix. 22; Jer. vii. 28).”

Source: “Gentile,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1905); Volume 5, p. 615.

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BABerean2 said:

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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If only we had scripture that told us who the children of God and of the promise are, then this debate about what Romans 9:6-8 means could be settled. Wait, we do.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I could not have said it any better or clearer than Paul did here. So, I won't even try. The scripture speaks for itself.

More evidence that "Daniel's people" are those (ancient biblical Israelites) with their hearts aligned with Daniel's prayer and not ALL the Israelites (and certainly not modern-day residents of geopolitical Israel).

mkgal1 said:

Forty years later than what? The Cross?

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Approximately. But it throws your timeline out of whack.

mkgal1 said:

Of course Daniel is included in those who God keeps His covenant with.

What this prayer of Daniel's reveals (along with David's life and writing) is that God didn't expect perfection....and God extended grace and mercy to those with a contrite heart (and all of the Israelites whose hearts aligned with Daniel's prayer - I believe - are who we ought to consider "Daniel's people").

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Well that is throwing a whole lot of maybes in the bible when Daniel would have considered the people of Israel HIS PEOPLE> Trying to read his mind is forbidden. And God sent all Israelis into exile (or most) and not just the faithful.

Sorry but your belief just doesn't hold track with the rest of SCripture and how Israel is considered.

Spiritual Jew said:

So, you don't think any Israelites or Jews will sin at all during the thousand years or during Satan's little season? If so, where do you get that from?

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Well their offspring will. and they will be judged instantly according to Isaiah. But the 1/3 survivors of the tribulation who enter the millenial kingdom are saved individuals and sin will be removed. Just like for us the church! we shall not sin anymore either.

nolidad said:

Well their offspring will. and they will be judged instantly according to Isaiah

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Will their offspring not be Israelites? How can the prophecy already be fulfilled in the way you understand it (literally no more sinning) if there will still be Israelites sinning after the time you say it will be fulfilled?

BABerean2 said:

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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And we are not arguing genealogies, but a specific promise God made with specific commitments on His part and your allegation that that copvenant has already been fulfilled.

YOu did dance poorly oin this reply. I give you just a 3 for effort.

End this conversation by simply showing that God fulfilled this promise we call teh New Covenant and stop your silly dance around this question (28th request now)

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


When did god :
1. Write His laws in teh hearts of the house of Israel and Judah.
2. Become their God and they became His people
3. That all Israelis know th eLord from teh least to teh greatest!

God said He SHALL do these things. YOu say He has already did it because the covenant is fulfilled, so when did these things come to pass.????????????????????????????????????????????