7 Steps to Freedom

[xxnelliexx]

I wasn't really sure where to post this, since I'm a new Christian, or in the process of getting baptized - baptism classes, I figured I'd put it here.

Yesterday I did the seven steps to freedom, and the voices have gotten far worse since then. Roughly two years ago, I started to hear third person voices, saying things like I hate you or you're stupid. Even though it'd third person, I know it's about me. When I was a baby, up until the age of 3, really bad things happened to me. Then, I was removed from the home. After that, my life consisted of sin after sin after sin. Really really bad, horrible, nasty disgusting sins. Things that I've told next to no one. Things that I'm beyond ashamed of. And for me to admit these things to a stranger who I'm never going to see again is one thing, it's hard, but I don't care as much what they think. But when I told the people who I see every week my deepest darkest secrets, I was so ashamed. They told me not to worry, that nothing will shock them, but I don't believe it. And since that happened, the voices in my head have been going non stop. To the point where I've been tempted to go back to old behaviors that relieved stress (non-healthy ways of course) that I haven't done in 5 or 6 years. I don't want to care so much what people think of me, but I can't help it. This can not be a normal response to the seven steps of freedom. Am I truly unsaveable? I want so bad to be pure and good and Christ-like, I admitted everything I have done in my life, something that I was terrified of doing, and now I feel worse. Is there any help for me at all?

 

[turned around]

Hi XX,
Hey friend there is one step to freedom believe on the Lord Jesus. Jesus did not come to bring us steps, he came and brought himself. Hebrews 8:12 says that the Lord is merciful to all our unrighteouness, and remembers not our iniquities. Friend the Lords grace will teach how to deny ungodliness, and worldly lust, and live a rightness life(Titus 2:11-13). Friend you need to relax, you are not going to be perfect, Jesus imparts is perfection into you.(Christ liveth in you).

 

[Peripatetic]

If you are hearing voices, you should seek help from a Doctor and from people who can help. Everyone here should watch this informative and inspiring Ted talk:

Eleanor Longden: The voices in my head | Video on TED.com

It certainly helped me to learn and to better understand how agonizingly difficult it can be for those who experience it. I'm sure her Hearing Voices Network has been a help to many who thought they were the only ones.

 

[xxnelliexx]

Thanks, but I've been to see many doctors, and none of them seem to help very much. And I thought the voices might have something to do with bondage, but since they're still there, then I guess not. I guess I just am having a hard time that the voices are still there, and that I admitted things done to me that I wasn't ready to admit to myself, nonetheless three other people. But, I redid the seven steps to freedom on my own, just to see if I missed anything. And I find my mind is a little calmer now. Lots of room for improvement still, but better then it was.

 

[Bible2]

xxnelliexx said in post 4:

Thanks, but I've been to see many doctors, and none of them seem to help very much.

That brings to mind Mark 5:26.

xxnelliexx said in post 4:

And I thought the voices might have something to do with bondage, but since they're still there, then I guess not.

The voices could be demonic, brought into your life due to your past sins. But if you have repented from these sins and confessed them to God, then he has completely forgiven you for them (1 John 1:9). What you may need now is what's called "deliverance", in Pentecostal- and charismatic-type congregations, where they have people who can cast demons out of your life, like how, for example, Jesus cast 7 demons out of Mary Magdalene (Luke 8:2).

"Deliverance" from demons isn't something that Baptist-type congregations practice (you've indicated that you're currently at one), but they're right to practice immersion baptism. So stick with the Baptist-type congregation to get immersion baptized and learn the Bible in Sunday school, etc. But during the week (i.e. on Wednesday nights) also seek out a Pentecostal-type congregation, or charismatic-type congregation (which can be of almost any denomination), that has someone who can cast out demons, and see if they can help you get rid of the voices. You could find complete deliverance by the power of the Holy Spirit.

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Also, besides getting water baptized, believers can get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, for it's not usually automatically given to them the moment they become believers. That's why Paul the apostle asked some believers: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

Believers usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Holy Spirit baptism won't result in speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are one of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8,9,10,11,28; 1 Corinthians 14:5). Many believers haven't yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they haven't yet asked for it, under the principle of "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many believers haven't yet asked for it because they've come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say that it's no longer in effect. Believers can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at any Pentecostal-type congregation, or at any charismatic-type congregation (which, again, can be of almost any denomination; but probably not Baptist).

 

[paul1149]

Dear sister, stand your ground. Very often we take new ground or reclaim stolen ground only through perseverance and patience. If these materials are helping your mind understand your circumstances and the process, that's a good thing. But stay in the Word, which will strengthen both spirit and mind. Jesus is "the same yesterday, today and forever", and He healed and delivered all who came to Him. There was no one outside His mercy and power. Once you claim Christ, the devil has lost all authority over you. Know who you are in Christ, and the rights and inheritance that confers. In Him you have perfect delegated situational authority over all the forces of darkness.

And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. -Heb 6:11-12​

 

[Harry3142]

xxnelliexx-

We Christians see salvation as not assured because of what we are capable of doing; we see it as assured because of what God is capable of doing. And what he did was to himself accomplish all that is needed in order to satisfy his justice. Now he offers the fruits of this accomplishment unconditionally and freely to anyone who accepts it:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26,NIV)

If our obtaining eternal life depended on how good we are in-and-of ourselves, heaven would be one empty place. And that is due to the righteousness needed for entry into heaven needing to equal God's own righteousness. But what we cannot earn as if it were a salary, or purchase as if it were an asset, we can receive freely as a gift. The righteousness we need for eternal life God has earned for us, and now offers to all who are willing to receive that righteousness with the humility of people who know that we have sinned.

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written:

"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (Romans 9:30-33,NIV)

As for your sins being any worse than anyone else's, applying a sliding scale to sins is manmade, not Godmade. To him one sin as just as condemning as another. That is why we all need the righteousness which God offers freely to those who accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice of atonement as the means of making us righteous insofar as God is concerned. You've sinned; that only identifies you as being human, as are all of us. Fortunately, God knows the weakness of our humanity better than we want to admit, and therefore took action himself to earn for us the righteousness that we could never earn for ourselves.

God bless-

 

[Emmy]

Dear xxnelliexx. The only steps to Freedom are to follow those which our Saviour Jesus Christ gives us. Jesus tells a Lawyer in Matthew 22: 35-40:
" The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself." Then Jesus states this great fact: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."straightforward and easy to remember.
Then again, Jesus says in Luke 10: 25-28: to a Lawyer who asked Him:
" Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him: " What is written in the Law?" The Lawyer answered: " Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, also love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus answered him: " Thou hast answered right: do this and thou shalt live." God wants our love, freely given and No condition made.
In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " ask and ye shall receive," we ask God for Love and Joy, then we thank God and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour: all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on
Loving and Caring.
The Bible tells us to " Repent," and also to " Be Born Again." We have to be truly sorry for all we did selfishly and without love, and gradually we will change into the men and women which God wants us to become.
God is Love, and God wants loving children/sons and daughters to be with for eternity. A Christian`s strong weapon is Love, with love we will conquer all.
Love and Obey, the true way to Freedom. Jesus our Saviour will help and guide us: JESUS IS THE WAY. I say this with love, nellie. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[insurchoftruth]

If you like, you can visit the following site for any relevant information;

Biblical Spiritual Warfare -Ch.4. True Christian spiritual warfare is indirect confrontation - Spiritual Warfare Principles for Every Christian.

 

[LilLamb219]

If none of the doctors helped, go to a new one! Have you had a complete mental evaluation? I'm not trying to belittle you and you don't have to respond, but hearing voices is often a mental condition and not a spiritual one.

 

[thertuthfollower]

I know that your case is abnormal but not strange . I will try to help you. But you would kindly answer my questions:
1) Do the voices stay with you continously?
2)Do they talk to you directly?

Regards

 

[MadamImAdaminChrist]

Victims of severe abuse often have difficulty with negative voices, either coming from within (mental/emotional) or without (spiritual). I suffered from such voices intensely after really getting into my faith, and a deliverance session helped, but did not "cure" me.

Keep exploring all avenues. Stay encouraged. It might take multiple approaches and tries, and it might be a longer drawn-out process. I hardly ever hear such severe condemning thoughts anymore, Thank Jesus! Cling to Jesus, especially when things are not appearing to go anywhere. There is hope!