6000 years?

[dad]

How can you expect anyone to hold a dialogue with you if you act like this, mispresenting science

Are you kidding? You want to talk about big bang, go ahead. What the hec do you think it teaches? Do you live in a cave?

 

[dhiannian]

Dinosaurs were creatures even mentioned in the book of Job. Why wouldn't there be bones? Decay is something even people do, and at a much faster rate than in recorded times of the bible. Adam wouldn't have decayed at all if he didn't chose to believe the lies of the serpent. Like today's education, it was basically saying, 'ye shall be as gods'. But they found out the hard way he was a liar.
Something happened, I feel it was some type of seperation of the spiritual from the physical, but, whatever it was, resulted in things starting to decay. If we measure it today, it seems like long times are involved. At least that's my opinion of it, with what I've heard so far.

Also we never hear about the bones found that were still bones,
Not even fossil the scientist who found them didn't even report them, he thought they were from bison not dinos.
Most of the fossils found today still contain bone, something else you rarely hear.
I think if you start out believing in something, basing it on something (science,bible, etc) then presupposition becomes the way you interpret information, If you believe the world is millions of years old you'll fit evidence to what you believe in, the same with bible believers, Although I don't believe an open searching mind could believe the million yr earth story without searching it out themselves, I know that every human has a "sin nature" and for that reason alone we would lean towards false rather than true. And not everyone has grown up being taught about God, some have their parents or teachers passing the theorys of evolution minus God down to them fron the beginning. I know I believe God created us just as the bible says, and nothing could change that, that's not saying I haven't explored the sites on evolution, and compared stuff from there with info from the bible, for example, the flood, this explains why the fossils would appear old, did you know they can create fossils like the dino fossils they find in a lab? It just takes the right conditions and bone would cause rapid permineralization making the bones appear to be older than they actually were.
It would also explain continental drift, the grand canyon, the earth's layers, etc. The earth itself shows us that it was once covered with water, in the different layers.
Seek and ye shall find is all I can say, because "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"
A very true saying.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Are you kidding? You want to talk about big bang, go ahead. What the hec do you think it teaches? Do you live in a cave?

Before claiming that you're not misrepresenting things you might want to read what you've wrote.

In evolutionary teachings, it is taught, basicly, that there is no God, we all sailed out of a little singularity somehow

Could you please show me a recent biology text book that explicity states that 1: There is no god 2: We 'sailed out of a little singularity somehow'. 3: The theory of evolution makes us gods.

 

[dad]

did you know they can create fossils like the dino fossils they find in a lab? It just takes the right conditions and bone would cause rapid permineralization making the bones appear to be older than they actually were.

Well, evolutionists are well known for forgeries and fraud. But theres no need on the whole, to create bones, we have lots of them everywhere. I don't see anything wrong woth fossils or bones, if you know what they really tell you.

 

[dhiannian]

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're saying. It sounds as though the claim is that decay wasn't a part of biology until after man's fall from grace. Wouldn't that constitute a violation of the second law of thermodynamics? Unless biological entities remain alive, cellular repair ceases. At that point decay would have to take over. Of course I know this isn't the only claim in the Bible which violates the known laws and theories governing physical properties of the universe, but it's one I hadn't heard before.

Scientist could never explain God, Nor why Adam lived over 900 years.
But the bible can, They had free access to "The tree of life"
While living in the garden of Eden, they couldn't get sick, and couldn't die as long as they had this fruit.
When man sinned, he fell, and as a result was punished.
One of the punishments was they were taken from Eden and where not able to eat the fruit of "the tree of life since God had placed cherubims to guard it.
So man aged, and there was a decline Adam's children would have also benifieted from the fruit their parents had eaten, and this was paced on until depleted, that's why the years of mans life have declined since Adam.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Scientist could never explain God, Nor why Adam lived over 900 years.
But the bible can, They had free access to "The tree of life"
While living in the garden of Eden, they couldn't get sick, and couldn't die as long as they had this fruit.
When man sinned, he fell, and as a result was punished.
One of the punishments was they were taken from Eden and where not able to eat the fruit of "the tree of life since God had placed cherubims to guard it.
So man aged, and there was a decline Adam's children would have also benifieted from the fruit their parents had eaten, and this was paced on until depleted, that's why the years of mans life have declined since Adam.

Why would science need to explain something that didn't occur and theres no reliable record of?

 

[dhiannian]

Before claiming that you're not misrepresenting things you might want to read what you've wrote.



[/i]Could you please show me a recent biology text book that explicity states that 1: There is no god 2: We 'sailed out of a little singularity somehow'. 3: The theory of evolution makes us gods.

Figurativly speaking, science takes away God when they say we evolved from a lower organism, or that the earth is billions of years old.
So if we created ourselves (so to speak) We might as well be god's.
Also in denying creation in the bible, they also deny his very existance, either that or he's a liar.
You be the judge.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Well, evolutionists are well known for forgeries and fraud. But theres no need on the whole, to create bones, we have lots of them everywhere. I don't see anything wrong woth fossils or bones, if you know what they really tell you.

And who do you think exposes fraudulent discoveries?
Certainly not creationists at any rate.




Afterall, they use them.

 

[dad]

Before claiming that you're not misrepresenting things you might want to read what you've wrote

Why don't you give a few sentences and represent it right if you can, and we will be able to see the difference. You do realize that the speck was at one time so small, you couldn't even see it? So they say. ha

Could you please show me a recent biology text book that explicity states that 1: There is no god

Can you show me one that says He is the creator? Can you show me one that does not, in effect say, the universe came from a speck, and all life from granny bacteria? Of course you can't, unless you have a christian one. If the speck and granny did it all, God is a dead wimp.

 

[dad]

And who do you think exposes fraudulent discoveries?
Certainly not creationists at any rate.

What do you think I'm doing?

 

[USincognito]

Well, the serpent was basicly saying 'God's lying, you won't really die, He didn't really mean that'. But the moment they ate that fruit they did begin to die. In evolutionary teachings, it is taught, basicly, that there is no God, we all sailed out of a little singularity somehow (don't ask questions, class, we just did). And if there was a God, for those poor souls who actually believe that nonsense, why, He didn't really do it the way He said He did! No, it's just you, as gods, that really exist. ha

I'm going to take your convoluted, tangental response as an admission that today's education does not tell students ye shall be as gods which is specifically what I was asking. Thanks.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Figurativly speaking, science takes away God when they say we evolved from a lower organism,

Evolution doesn't classify organisms as 'lower'.

or that the earth is billions of years old.

Thestic evolutionists would disagree with you.

So if we created ourselves (so to speak) We might as well be god's.
Also in denying creation in the bible, they also deny his very existance, either that or he's a liar.
You be the judge.

That makes absolutly no sense.
Absence of attribution does not equal absence of existance.
Would we still be 'gods' if evolution was attributed to Brahma? Or Odin? Or Zeus?

 

[dad]

today's education does not tell students ye shall be as gods

Of course it does, in effect. Now if it taught that there was a God, and a creator, and that's where we came from, why then it wouldn't claim we are the little gods. But it doesn't. All glory, and credit for our bodies, animals, the stars, heavens, etc. all given to some fluke process with no mention of any God whatsoever.
'No, we don't need miracles, heaven, angels, healing, a God, we all just sort of came from nothing. We, are the only gods we can prove, because we can touch each other!

 

[dhiannian]

Why would science need to explain something that didn't occur and theres no reliable record of?

First of all, science does not need to explain anything about why people lived so long then and by Moses's time had a much shorter lifespan.
Second. The bible is the most reliable source on earth, it's God's word, GOD'S
The creator.
And the bible tells us the tree of life is no longer on earth, so even scientists wouldn't be able to find it.

 

[dad]

Would we still be 'gods' if evolution was attributed to Brahma? Or Odin? Or Zeus?

If there were a greater god, we may still be, depends on what these dinky would be deities decreed!

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Why don't you give a few sentences and represent it right if you can, and we will be able to see the difference. You do realize that the speck was at one time so small, you couldn't even see it? So they say. ha

Can you show me one that says He is the creator? Can you show me one that does not, in effect say, the universe came from a speck, and all life from granny bacteria? Of course you can't, unless you have a christian one. If the speck and granny did it all, God is a dead wimp.

I'm not the one making the claim there cheif.
YOU claimed that text books claim there is no god.
Why can't you show me a text book that explicity states what you say they do? Surely it should be easy to.
Why should I have to prove you wrong before you've provided any evidence for your case?

What do you think I'm doing?

Handwaving and rhetoric?
Unless of course you can show me a scientific paper that you've had published in a respected journal that reveals a fraud.

 

[dad]

YOU claimed that text books claim there is no god.
Why can't you show me a text book that explicity states what you say they do? Surely it should be easy to.

Who does the credit go to? God? Where do they say men came from? God Where do they say the world comes from? God? Who do they insinuate really did not make the world, and Adam and Eve, and the stars, God? Who gives credit to the creation but leaves out the Creator? Who makes it sound like fairy tales that Jesus rose from the dead, and that we will too?
God is not welcome in the least, and is very unwelcome in most areas of public education.

 

[h2whoa]

I wouldn't doubt theistic evolutionists would disagree, when they too are trying to falsify God's word by saying God didn't mean what he said. I don't think it's possible to be a christian theistic evolutionist, because you are denying that God created everything when it says in the bible that he did, and that without him was not anything made that was made.
That would make them decievers/wolves in sheeps clothing trying to fool people into believing another of satan's lies.
And no we wouln't be God's because we would not be saying we created ourselves, in essence

Wow. NIce to see Creationists revealing their ugly, arrogant conceited side.

I always thought that the point about Christianity was that you accepted Jesus as your saviour and that you tried to develop your relationship with God.

By the way, why is not taking Genesis literally any different to not taking Job literally?

You seem full of the sort of venom and spite that Christianity abhors. Nice work, I thought we were all brothers and sisters under God.

Apparently not.

h2

 

[JohnR7]

Scientist could never explain God, Nor why Adam lived over 900 years.

Don't be so sure of that. There are some scientists today that think in the near future we may be able to live to be 1000 years old. They base that at least in part by how long they have been able to extend the life of other species.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

Who does the credit go to? God? Where do they say men came from? God Where do they say the world comes from? God? Who do they insinuate really did not make the world, and Adam and Eve, and the stars, God? Who gives credit to the creation but leaves out the Creator? Who makes it sound like fairy tales that Jesus rose from the dead, and that we will too?
God is not welcome in the least, and is very unwelcome in most areas of public education.

Its quite clear that you're either too lazy to find an example, or there just isnt one.

I've made it quite clear what I want. An explicit example of a biology text book STATING that there is no god, we are gods, and that we 'sailed out of a singularity'.

Either putup or shutup.