6000 Years Since Creation?

[Willtor]

Re: Carbon-dating: Look at the image I linked. We're talking about percentages, not orders of magnitude. Precision, not accuracy. The only reason to bother with calibration is to get measurements dating to within a few years. As far as dendrochronology, your characterization is not accurate. They don't line up individual years. They line up sequences of years. And they have a whole forest in which to do it. There is an abundance of data with which to correlate sequences. So even the matter of percentages is a moot point since it is calibrated (again, see the link I posted).

All that said, I suppose we are still talking about, as you put it, "creationist scope" of time (since Carbon dating is only done into the tens of thousands of years -- only about 60,000 years). I do take issue with the term, "evolutionary scope" of time, however, since evolution doesn't measure such things. It relies on geology for time frames. It was known that the world was at least millions of years old for half a century before Darwin published "The Voyage of the Beagle." I don't think evolution enters into it -- at least, not at this point. Let's stick to the one topic at a time.

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I don't know why you come in with discussions about miracles, though. We're in a Christians-only forum. I think we're all pretty well in agreement that miracles can and do occur. I will quibble with the notion that there is never a second cause, however. Frankly, if God wants a second cause, who are we to argue? And if it looks like there is a second cause, why should we complain when scientists point to it? Doesn't the Bible say that life on Earth was created through a second cause?

Finally, be careful not to disparage post-modernism when you mean relativism. We're all post-modernists, for the most part. Your post about how different people take the data differently was post-modernist. If you have ever used the word "worldview" to help you make a point, you used a post-modernist word. I think the thing you mean is relativism: the idea that there is no objective reality. Post-modernism is the premise that we interact with the world subjectively, not that there is no objective world with which to interact. There are post-modernists who are relativists, but most post-modernists are not relativists. Further, some relativists are not post-modernists.

 

[sublime911]

Hi Drew,

I posted the question you are referring to so let me see if I can use a little logic to explain why it is important.

As I understand the Scriptures, God created all the heavens and the universe as a home for man. I'm confident by the Spirit that He didn't spread out the array of the universe before His throne so that He could look out of His picture window each morning and say, "Oh, what a great thing of planets and stars that I have created. It is so beautiful to behold." When God first spoke into the inky black darkness of space all of the heavenly bodies of this created universe, He had already set the purpose of this created realm to be the home of man.

Now the logical question that comes to my mind is this. If the universe was, in fact, created for the sole purpose of providing a place for man to live, then why would He have it sit around for billion, millions of years? You see, it really all boils down to the glory of God. I serve and know a God who can in literally a moment in time speak and fill the entire universe with heavenly bodies that operate in absolute perfection in their design and purpose. Can your God do that? If He can, and the purpose again for creating all of this realm is to provide a place for man to live, then why wouldnt' He?

Secondly, and what is even more assuring to me that the creation is only 6,000 years old and that the days of the Genesis account are really 'days' as man understands is the great wisdom and love of God. God is not ignorant that He, -- I mean we do agree that the writings in Genesis are still a part of the whole 'Scriptures written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit', right?, -- would have caused to have written the Hebrew word for days, that up until the time of Jesus visitation most every Jew, they are the ones we should look to for much of our understanding of the Scriptures, believed as a 24 hour day.

Then Jesus came. When Jesus walked upon the earth giving us the true testimony of his Father, the Penteteuch had been completely assembled and canonized as the Old Testament that we have today. The account in Genesis and all the 'day' thing had been written and had been read, taught and believed for some 1500 years already when Jesus came to tell us the 'truth'. The true witness; the firstborn from the dead. His mission was to teach and show us the truth of God and to then carry the penalty for our sin upon himself for all those who would believe his testimony. He never once denied or corrected the Genesis account. God in his infinite wisdom knew that as we moved into the days of great apostasy that Paul, Peter and Jesus all spoke of, never directed Jesus to correct the misunderstanding that the Jews had of the creation account. Because I know that God loves me and wants me to know the truth, I know that He would have corrected such a grave misunderstanding among His people with the testimony of His Son.

So, there you have it. Logically. If the purpose of the created realm in which we live was for the sole purpose of supporting life in the flesh and God is powerful enough to create it just as He said, then why wouldn't he have. What would be God's purpose to allow the universe to sit idly by waiting for God to decide what He was going to do next. Do we have a picture of a god who created all the heavens and then sat around rubbing his chin and considering, "Gosh, what can I do with all that real estate out there?" Is our picture of a god one that shows a god who didn't really know how he was going to make man so he allowed nature to take its course and, of course, if we go with that, then what's the issue with Adam and Eve and their sin?

No, my friend, the evolutionary 'theory' leaves way to many gaps that can't be reconciled with God's word. The young earth model, however, shows a God with purpose and great love who created all that is seen and not seen in this realm and because of a real disobedience of the first created man and woman requires such a great sacrifice and outpouring of His love to bring about His will, which is to live with those whom He created who love Him.

The problem, of course, is that most people don't want to appear 'stupid'. So when all of our 'brilliant' scientists who really don't have a clue how God created all things, try to explain it, it gets all fuddled and muddy and then they start trying to impress us with 'proofs' that what they know is the 'truth' and weak believers fall prey to their wickedness.

Now, here's why its important what we believe. If, yea, lets go with a great big 'if', the account of a six day creation just as plain and simple as it is stated in Genesis is, in fact, the truth -- it is really how God created this entire realm of existence in which we live -- then will God see those as faithful who have allowed the 'truth' of men to supercede His truth? Will He find those faithful who went around teaching others that God didn't really create a man named Adam and a woman named Eve and claiming to be speaking His truth? Will He look with approval upon those who claim His Son's name for their eternal salvation and yet don't understand anything about His great power and love? Those who would say, "Yea, you can't take the Genesis account as literal. Scientists have 'proven' beyond any doubt that all that part of God's word is somehow messed up."

Pray about this.

Here's my challenge to you. Ask any scientist to explain the virgin birth.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted.

Impact creators all but disprove a young earth. Unless God decided to design the crater to make it look like millions of years of erosion happened to the area(or maybe you are saying he tried but failed to cover it up) and completely disrupted the sedimentary layer under the crater by filling it with breccia and shocked quartz. Either a crater hit that spot a long long time ago, or God wants to make it look like a crater hit that area a long time ago and went through very drastic measures to do this in many different spots around the world.