6 Simple arguments to disproving Atheism (once and for all)

[loveHIM_liveHIM]

ya'll are just debating back and forth, repeating yourselves endlessly... not to be rude, but is there really any purpose in continuing?

 

[Arikay]

Not really, but thats never stopped the thread before.

ya'll are just debating back and forth, repeating yourselves endlessly... not to be rude, but is there really any purpose in continuing?

 

[ALL4J3SUS]

Do u believe that Satan exists? Cuz if u do, then u should know that even he knows that God exists.

 

[vajradhara]

Do u believe that Satan exists? Cuz if u do, then u should know that even he knows that God exists.

Namaste,

Satan is a Chrisitan construct... ergo, if one does not adhere to the Christian notions of God, then would would perforce not believe in Satan.

now... Islam has this same concept, i believe the created is called Hashaytan or something like that...

in any event...

without being an adherent of those traditions, there would be little logical sense in believing that aspect of it, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Smilin]

Do u believe that Satan exists? Cuz if u do, then u should know that even he knows that God exists.

I'm not an atheist...however you should know
that Satan is a construction of the Christian relgion.

Want proof? The best example would be to ask
one of the Jewish members their teachings on Satan.

 

[Malone1234]

For the first time since the 1970’s, scientists have begun to recognize the fact that the whole physical balance of the universe is adjusted delicately in favor of human life. With the advance of research, it has been discovered that the physical, chemical and biological laws of the universe, basic forces such as gravity and electro-magnetism, the structure of atoms and elements are all ordered exactly as they have to be for human life.

This by no means disproves atheism. It would be difficult for any atheist to prove otherwise.

However, these observations also do not prove the existence of God. Perhaps there were a million billion trillion little big bangs before this one, with different initial conditions, and they all failed. In fact proponents of string theory purport that these mini big bangs are happening all the time at the quantum level. It just so happens that our current universe had the correct initial conditions that would lead it to eventually support human life. That fact neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.

 

[Arikay]

There is also the thought that if things weren't set up for life, it would not have formed, and we wouldn't be debating it. thus, If we are debating it, the chances the universe is set up for life is 1 and if the universe wasn't set up for life, we would Never know.

 

[Icystwolf]

There is also the thought that if things weren't set up for life, it would not have formed, and we wouldn't be debating it. thus, If we are debating it, the chances the universe is set up for life is 1 and if the universe wasn't set up for life, we would Never know.

Have you heard of the philosophy of Selectivity of Quality?

An example is extracting a tetraploid orchid from the rest of the bunch. What's needed is a large number of seedlings, place a chemical in, and the ones(5/100) that survive have formed into tetraploids. However heres the catch, if you take each seedling and you expose them to the same chemical, at the same levels...hence by ratio and dilution, you would get Zero tetraploids forming...it just won't work.(don't ask me why, I'm a Telecom engineer, not a scientist)

Hence the Quality came from using the rest of the seedlings, to create a better quality seedling. The percentage is around 4-6%.

Now what if you apply this to Christianity and assuming God did exist, then you could understand how he is pulling the quality out of the Human population. It's stated in Revelations from the Bible...by the workings of the Angels.
The extension to that is, if you can't understand pain on Earth, then you'll never enjoy Heaven.

It's just a thought to keep in mind of... no real debate from my side!!!

 

[phylaax]

Hey. I think the amount of effort you all have put into this is incredible, but I would like to make a little input. This hits directly at atheism, not science or anything else that (obviously) hasn't gotten you very far in the past 6 or so months.
An atheist affirms there is no God, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong (trying my best not to be hard-headed). In order to make this assumption, they would have to posess all knowledge and know the universe in its entirety. In order to do that, they would have to be God.
A human perspective obviously won't give us that kind of basic answer and others along those lines. The Christian (again, correct me if I'm wrong) believes that God has answered this himself through His holy word, the Bible, and that He does know. Now, the issue becomes disproving Christianity or agnosticism or something else. Science is not complete, and never will be, because we are not all knowing. Science isnt' pointless, but I dont think it will answer the questions we search for.
But what do I know? I'm a high school student. I have no degrees. I can probably beat you at fuseball, but that remains to be seen! Hope i sparked some thought.

 

[Philosoft]

An atheist affirms there is no God, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong (trying my best not to be hard-headed). In order to make this assumption, they would have to posess all knowledge and know the universe in its entirety. In order to do that, they would have to be God.

You are wrong. An atheist may make such a putative affirmation, but it is not necessary to atheism.

 

[mo.mentum]

Atheists necessarily reject a God. However, in order to reject something or disbelieve in it, you need to have an idea of what it is.

i propose that the atheist condition be examined from a subject-first perspective. ie: how does an atheist in particular conceive of God... might expose some of their flawed or child-related notions of deity..

 

[mo.mentum]

Or other atheists who argue that history has seen nothing but bloodshed from religion. Forgetting that it was elitist and political ideologies related to power and domination that led to conflict, not religion.

Plus this view of religion is purely restricted to the Western European socio-historic experience with religious institutions, not faith itself.

 

[mo.mentum]

Heads up phylexx! We all started somewhere So no worries! Glad you could join in

 

[Arikay]

phylaax: Some atheists do state that there is no god, but most dont.

mo.mentum: I think it might work for some atheists, but not for many, as many do understand all the different deities quite well. Although I have noticed some militant atheists do have some odd ideas about Deity in general.

 

[mo.mentum]

So if an atheist states that there is no god, how is he still an atheist? And if he agrees that there might be a god, but still willfully rejects him..then woe be unto thee! lol

 

[Arikay]

He is an atheist because an atheist is basically someone without a belief in god. The amount of this belief can change though. From stating that there is no god, to just lacking a belief in god. Many atheists agree that there Could be a god, but they dont see any evidence for him or any reason for him so they lack a belief in him.

Just like the Universe Could have been created 30 seconds ago and all of our memory, etc. is faked. Most don't believe this though because they don't see any evidence for it, nor a reason to believe it.

So if an atheist states that there is no god, how is he still an atheist? And if he agrees that there might be a god, but still willfully rejects him..then woe be unto thee! lol

 

[Caddius]

how does an atheist in particular conceive of God... might expose some of their flawed or child-related notions of deity..

Personally I see it as an answer to lifes problems. We can't answer it, it must be God. All through history we see where people don't understand various aspects of life, so to help fill in the blanks, we have, presto, God did it. And throughout all that time Christianity has conformed to the known proven beliefs and conviently accept the truth that science has provided. So basicly some big break through will happen, Christians look sheepish, think, hmm how can we recover from this, make up some more stuff about how some previously harley read verse in the Bible shows this new science to be true, and how yes God is real still, this new truth in science means nothing, wash and repeat.

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"People are idiots, therefore Gawd exists."

 

[mo.mentum]

i disagree...ppl don't believe in God because "there's no other explanation"..ppl believe in superstitions and fairy stories for that reason...my belief and concept in God rest upon a whole different basis...that nothing exists except for Him...everything else is merely a presence in "His Mind"...every moment in time is created by Him and made to be perceived by our soul....

God gave me reason, logic, and intelligence so that i would see His handy work in the miracle of Creation itself...the more i study about the details of science, the more mind boggling it becomes...layers upon layers of meaning and mechanisms..all in harmony..it just goes to show His Might and Wisdom...doesnt satisfy my curiousity as to how it works however...because curiousity is also God given...

but this my conception of Being...and science per se doesnt disprove God, but in fact is a tool to make Him more concrete in my view

 

[Zen_Woof]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Here you go Philosoft ... http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/

 

[Zen_Woof]

Hi.

I've only read about half of this thread because it's long and I was trying to skip the angrier pieces. A few thoughts ...

Mo.mentum: What about Schrodinger's cat, the famous puzzle of quantum physics? The idea that an object can be two things at once until another force acts upon it. Perhaps the universe is one thing but our observing it changes it into something else?

Viruses are an example of evolution. They change to better survive in their enviroment and to effectively kill their prey ... sometimes transforming themselves into even deadlier versions or jumping species. Continuing research into the "missing link" phenomena is also interesting in terms of evolutionary theory. Although you are correct that nothing has been conclusive ... although, indeed, gravity is too just a theory ... it seems that evolution and mutation are the foundation of much of scientific understanding in both the biological and physical sciences.

Another classic conundrum ... can anyone conclusively prove that anyone else does or does not exist?

Found a good site ... I think ... advise me if you disagree ... http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/library.html

With metta,
ZW

Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.