50 Ways to Win an Argument Against a Liberal

[RMDY]

Perhaps sexuality is not a factor in the resurrection. I don't have the verse on hand at the moment, but Jesus was a question about marriages in the resurrection and he said the eternal life won't be about that.

- Rob

 

[RMDY]

I believe that acts of same-sex relations breaks God's heart and he frowns upon it and it is a sin because it separates us from Him. I believe he personally labeled it detestable for that reason. I believe Jesus warned us not to pursue such a thing when we take up our cross from the heart to follow him. I'm not condemning anyone here but informing you all what I believe and why I believe in it.

I believe we shouldn't do things that would cause us to sin and break God's heart, but instead, do whatever we should do to respect Him and love him.

- Rob

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

It would not surpirse me if my God is your devil. I do not expect to see you in the afterlife.

Well I hope you love seeing me MB because my God is the same as yours. I just listen to Him once in a while.

 

[RMDY]

It would not surpirse me if my God is your devil. I do not expect to see you in the afterlife.

Don't act as an accuser.

Even christians who I believe don't recognize sins they commit follow the same God, but under different terms than what I believe. When I die, if my beliefs about homosexuality were wrong, then they are wrong. In the end, we will all be resurrected anyway with sexuality not being much of a factor in how we run our lives.

However, you and I both believe acts of same-sex relations are sin that separates from God. Accusing people is an evil thing that causes Strife. It would be better if we love others as we love ourselves, even if we don't agree with what they do. For even Jesus forgave his persecutors by saying "Father forgive them for what they do for they don't know what they do"

 

[*Starlight*]

It would not surpirse me if my God is your devil. I do not expect to see you in the afterlife.

Well, I believe that God is good. But I'm used to seeing Christians who believe otherwise.

 

[MercyBurst]

Don't act as an accuser.

I'm stating my honest belief. I have listened to this person over several months and I am conviced, we do not serve the same God.

Even christians who I believe don't recognize sins they commit follow the same God, but under different terms than what I believe.

This person believes God is evil to send an unrepentent sinner to hell. If you don't believe me, just ask them.

When I die, if my beliefs about homosexuality were wrong, then they are wrong.

We are commanded as christians to hold fast to the doctrine which has been given to us. Unsound doctrine will be cast into hell. This doctrine is clearly one of them.

In the end, we will all be resurrected anyway with sexuality not being much of a factor in how we run our lives.

The unrighteous will be resurrected in their same body. This is what Jesus himself tells us in Revelation . I'm sorry, but I have to believe somebody, and I choose to believe the Savior.

However, you and I both believe acts of same-sex relations are sin that separates from God.

I did not choose to believe it. I chose to believe the bible.

Accusing people is an evil thing that causes Strife.

Wait a minute here. They brought sin to the church body. This wasn't a problem until they did that and began preaching their filthy, disgusting doctrine as righteous -- calling evil good and good evil.

It would be better if we love others as we love ourselves, even if we don't agree with what they do.

Does love mean we have to condone their behavior? If you say it's a sin then you are automatically "unloving" as far as homosexuals are concerned. Surely you know by now.

For even Jesus forgave his persecutors by saying "Father forgive them for what they do for they don't know what they do"

Jesus forgave His own persectutors, but listen to what the Savior says about people that offend His believers:

Matthew 18:6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I am a little one and I believe in Him. I am deeply offended by this filthy doctrine being spread by the enemies of the cross. They lead others down their path of destruction, and my brothers and sisters in christ are offended in this.

 

[MercyBurst]

Well I hope you love seeing me MB because my God is the same as yours. I just listen to Him once in a while.

Perhaps we will. I don't want to see anyone lost. I hope you realize, as a 16 year old listening to seasoned hard-core homosexuals, you are setting yourself up.

ok, you have trouble sorting through your attraction. I can respect that. Don't let sin harden your heart to the point where you no longer hear the voice of God.

Nobody expects perfection out of you, but don't cave into excuses. That which is good requires no excuse.


God Bless.

 

[MercyBurst]

Well, I believe that God is good. But I'm used to seeing Christians who believe otherwise.

Would a good and loving God send people to an eternal burning hell just because they don't happen to believe in Jesus?

 

[RMDY]

I'm stating my honest belief. I have listened to this person over several months and I am conviced, we do not serve the same God.



This person believes God is evil to send an unrepentent sinner to hell. If you don't believe me, just ask them.



We are commanded as christians to hold fast to the doctrine which has been given to us. Unsound doctrine will be cast into hell. This doctrine is clearly one of them.




The unrighteous will be resurrected in their same body. This is what Jesus himself tells us in Revelation . I'm sorry, but I have to believe somebody, and I choose to believe the Savior.



I did not choose to believe it. I chose to believe the bible.



Wait a minute here. They brought sin to the church body. This wasn't a problem until they did that and began preaching their filthy, disgusting doctrine as righteous -- calling evil good and good evil.



Does love mean we have to condone their behavior? If you say it's a sin then you are automatically "unloving" as far as homosexuals are concerned. Surely you know by now.



Jesus forgave His own persectutors, but listen to what the Savior says about offenders:

Matthew 18:6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I am a little one and I believe in Him. I am deeply offended by this filthy doctrine being spread by the enemies of the cross. They lead others down their path of destruction, and my brothers and sisters in christ are offended in this.

I believe in everything you say as well and I hold to those beliefs, But I also believe we must be patient and hold nothing against them. It will be God who judges in the end, not us. We can only remind them of teachings, but accuse one another of following another God is not something we should be doing. But rather, we should rebuke people for not holding to sound doctrine but reminding them of what scripture is really teaching us.

But rather, walk in love despite these things. Paul himself said this in Corinthians13:

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Though we do not delight in evil, we must be patient and hold no record of wrongs against anyone but rather hope people can change and not be angry at anyone, despite what others believe in. I am not rebuking you for rebuking people Mercy, but reminding you to not accuse anyone of following another God. For we are all christians, and a christian that professes his or her faith in Christ and calls upon Christ to save him or her, I cannot say anything upon for I desire for all to be saved and have salvation.

 

[UberLutheran]

It would not surpirse me if my God is your devil. I do not expect to see you in the afterlife.

Do you think I would want to go to an afterlife that included people like you there?

Afterlife with people like MercyBurst: Afterlife in Hell.

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What's the difference?

 

[UberLutheran]

No. I'm sorry but I can not imagine that. God never said He would send someone to hell for being judgmental. God said He would judge those people the same way they judge others. I judge you gay as they come. GAY GAY GAY. ok Lord, I'm ready, have I lied?




Sorry, but hell isn't that way. You will have no fellowship there.



That is so unchristlike of you, to wish someone to hell. Your true self shows through. The Holy Spirit is NOT IN YOU.

I don't wish hell for anyone. Neither does God. I'm sorry you have chosen to go where ALL homosexuals go. We try to warn people. But if you really must, you must.

Eternal homosexuality is your terrible fate. This is terribly sad. And you'll answer to the Lord for all those you take with you. This isn't funny. I wish it were different for you, but I see you've made up your mind about it. So be it.

We have approached you biblically, and Jesus commands us to treat you as a heathen:

Matthew 18

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
tell Lev 19:17, Luke 17:3
gained James 5:20, 1st Peter 3:1
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Deut 19:15, John 8:17, 2nd Cor 13:1, 1st Tim 5:19
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
church 1st Tim 5:20
heathen Rom 16:17, 1st Cor 5:9, 2nd John 10


Say what you want, I take this to a higher court. Der Alter and DMagoh are my witnesses. See you in court whenever the Lord sees it is fitting. We have all seen it for ourselves. We stand as your witnesses. You not only chose this for yourself, but you preach your filth to others as well, to corrupt them. I am truly sorry for you. I forgive you, but will God?

I don't know how this works at CF, but it should be reported to the authorities, and it will be.

I'm not wishing for anybody to spend eternity in Hell -- but I certainly wouldn't wish gays an eternity with you.

In fact, I wouldn't wish codependents any portion of a earthly lifetime with a dry addict -- been there, spent time living with an addict, and it sucks.

 

[*Starlight*]

Would a good and loving God send people to an eternal burning hell just because they don't happen to believe in Jesus?

No.

 

[UberLutheran]

I believe in everything you say as well and I hold to those beliefs, But I also believe we must be patient and hold nothing against them. It will be God who judges in the end, not us. We can only remind them of teachings, but accuse one another of following another God is not something we should be doing. But rather, we should rebuke people for not holding to sound doctrine but reminding them of what scripture is really teaching us.

But rather, walk in love despite these things. Paul himself said this in Corinthians13:

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Though we do not delight in evil, we must be patient and hold no record of wrongs against anyone but rather hope people can change and not be angry at anyone, despite what others believe in. I am not rebuking you for rebuking people Mercy, but reminding you to not accuse anyone of following another God. For we are all christians, and a christian that professes his or her faith in Christ and calls upon Christ to save him or her, I cannot say anything upon for I desire for all to be saved and have salvation.

Well, well, well! Even JohnChapter14 isn't righteous enough for MercyBurst!

 

[MercyBurst]

I believe in everything you say as well and I hold to those beliefs, But I also believe we must be patient and hold nothing against them. It will be God who judges in the end, not us. We can only remind them of teachings, but accuse one another of following another God is not something we should be doing. But rather, we should rebuke people for not holding to sound doctrine but reminding them of what scripture is really teaching us.

so if somebody says Jesus has a devil, we just say now now now.

But rather, walk in love despite these things. Paul himself said this in Corinthians13:

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Paul has far less tolerance of unsound doctrine than anyone here.

Though we do not delight in evil, we must be patient and hold no record of wrongs against anyone but rather hope people can change and not be angry at anyone, despite what others believe in.

Unsound doctrine is what it is.

I am not rebuking you for rebuking people Mercy, but reminding you to not accuse anyone of following another God.

I am sorry about this John, but this is where we depart. I have prayed over this matter. Either I must believe you or I must believe God. These people are lost. Furthermore, the bible commands me to consider them as the heathen.

For we are all christians, and a christian that professes his or her faith in Christ and calls upon Christ to save him or her, I cannot say anything upon for I desire for all to be saved and have salvation.

John, I don't think you are that naive. This is what Jesus says:

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Lord Hos 8:2, Acts 19:13
doeth Rom 2:13, James 1:22
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
prophesied Num 24:4, John 11:51, 1st Cor 13:2
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
knew Exod 33:12, Nahum 1:7, 1st Cor 8:3, Gal 4:9, 2nd Tim 2:19
depart Psa 5:5, Psa 6:8, Matt 25:41
iniquity Matt 5:20, Matt 13:41

This should tell all of us: not everyone that professes the name of Christ will enter the kingdom of heave. Some of them are evil workers.

And how do you know them? BY THEIR WORKS.

 

[SwordOfGod]

If you are a homosexual and you want to win your argument that it is not a sin, you tell people...

a) you're reading that verse wrong
b) it's only referring to homsexual rape
c) it's only talking about temple prostitutes
d) they weren't guilty of the sin of homosexuality, they were just not hospitable, that's why they were destroyed
e) you're hung up on the law, we're under grace (ignore the fact that Jesus said He didnt come to abolish the law)
f) people wrote the Bible, not God...and homophobic people at that
g) the book of Romans says "unnatural" relations with other men is sin - homosexuality is natural for me
h) David and Jonathan were gay, I can prove it by reading some website

How many verses do you have to ignore, reinterpret, twist, or eliminate to be able to live happily as a "gay Christian"?

Lol, I like this come-back!

Disagree completely with you and, in my opinion, I think your the one twisting scripture in order to make it agree with your great-grandparents (nonbiblical) philosophies, but nonetheless, I like that you had the sense to hit him with a list back!

Hallelujah and His Eternal Grace be upon you all!

 

[RMDY]

so if somebody says Jesus has a devil, we just say now now now.

LOL. We know that pharasees accused him of that before

Paul has far less tolerance of unsound doctrine than anyone here.

Yes. This is true.

Unsound doctrine is what it is.

I agree

I am sorry about this John, but this is where we depart. I have prayed over this matter. Either I must believe you or I must believe God.

You and I don't depart. May I remind you that even early apostles didn't accuse any christian of falling a different God if they preached a different teaching on the gospel, but rather, they preached an unsound doctrine. Christians shouldn't go around accusing each other of following different God's, because we all confess in Christ and the same God of the bible. For example, several homosexuals on here profess that Christ is their Lord, but they do not believe that Christ taught that homosexuality ties in with sexual immorality and they believe that Christ abolished the leviticus laws----the same God they follow, they believe, sent Jesus to abolish them.

But rather, it isn't them or us that are following a different God. We all profess in Jesus Christ and call upon him to save us. What makes them and us different is how we interpret Jesus and his teachings, for some of us doubt scripture while others such as you and I, Mercy, hold fast as fundamentalists, believing the gospel as the pinnacle of God.

These people are lost. Furthermore, the bible commands me to consider them as the heathen.

Let me remind you that Jesus said if one sheep runs astray that he will leave the other 99 sheep to find the one that has run astray. Christians who run astray or are lost can be found unless they happen to fall into a pit and die. Just as God is all forgiving, God will continually look for the lost even our efforts are futile in finding someone. God doesn't give up, even if you do. Remember, Jesus lives in us. The power of the Holy Spirit is Jesus, always working within us to convict others to the side of Christ. Glory to God!

John, I don't think you are that naive. This is what Jesus says:

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Lord Hos 8:2, Acts 19:13
doeth Rom 2:13, James 1:22
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
prophesied Num 24:4, John 11:51, 1st Cor 13:2
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
knew Exod 33:12, Nahum 1:7, 1st Cor 8:3, Gal 4:9, 2nd Tim 2:19
depart Psa 5:5, Psa 6:8, Matt 25:41
iniquity Matt 5:20, Matt 13:41

This should tell all of us: not everyone that professes the name of Christ will enter the kingdom of heave. Some of them are evil workers.

I am quite aware of this. I am not speaking against it, but rather than point out these verses to people, we can do our best to teach sound doctrines and walk in love with others. If a person sins against me, I won't hold it against them. I a person sins against God, I won't hold it against them. I may not agree with what people do, but I don't hold it against them.

There is a guy at my work, who professes Christ and is a christian, but he gambles...
Were not all perfect. We all sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. I can point out scripture all I want about how people who follow lawlessness won't be saved, but that will not produce fruit that can work towards the Glory of God. These people already know all about those scriptures, but it does nothing to further the glory of God. So instead of accusing people of not following our God, which produces no fruit but anger and heartache, why not speak to them in love with patience and in hope?



MercyBurst, I love you and I agree with everything you say, but I will do my best to remind people of scripture.

 

[*Starlight*]

My God sends people to hell that DO NOT believe on His Son. We obviously do not serve the same GOD. OBVIOUSLY.

Well, I don't know what you are, but I'm a monotheist. If there's one God, then we both serve Him, even if you attribute such evil actions to Him.

 

[Gwenyfur]

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