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If they are trying to use violence and refuse to stop when told yes. That would cut down on people trying to do it, as well.Do you think anything illegal warrants being shot on sight?
And you have supportable figures to support this claim, of course?The cost of protecting the border is far, far cheaper than allowing unfettered passage, as we already know.
How long does it take the water to go down? It is not a slow process.It's not safe swimming in any river -- they're not swimming pools.
We're talking about people who've already trekked hundreds of miles through very harsh, unforgiving wilderness -- mostly desert. They're not going to stop at a river; flooded or not.
Besides, flood waters always recede, and they can cross before the patrols return or fences are repaired.
Wouldn't lack of citizenship or legal visa be proof that you broke the law?
And it isn't assumed that I have a driver's license...I have to provide the proof when asked. So proof of birth certificate, Visa, passport, etc...isn't really a big request.
That isn't what "shoot on sight" means.If they are trying to use violence and refuse to stop when told yes.
So would executing shoplifting children, presumably. That doesn't make it a proportional response.That would cut down on people trying to do it, as well.
Worse, since posse comitatus prohibits the military from domestic law enforcement, the job of "shoot on sight" and planting the mines will fall on state/federal law enforcement. How well is that going to go over? "Blue Lives Matter; Brown Ones Don't."
How long does it take the water to go down? It is not a slow process.
Summary execution, apparently. This thread's a real eye opener.So when they claim, "oh, right, my Birth Certificate is on file at City Hall... what, you can't find it? Well, that's your problem, isn't it?" What's the response?
You would only shoot people doing so if they were trying to use violences shoplifting in and of itself is a non-violent crime.That isn't what "shoot on sight" means.
So would executing shoplifting children, presumably. That doesn't make it a proportional response.
And that sounds OK to you?A correct analogy would be "Blue lives matter: Criminals lives don't"
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noSometimes yes, sometimes no. But I'm not going to be the one watching and waiting on the other side... they are.
You're the one who advocated shoot on sight, not "shoot in self defence".You would only shoot people doing so if they were trying to use violences shoplifting in and of itself is a non-violent crime.
If they threaten violence and will not stop.You're the one who advocated shoot on sight, not "shoot in self defence".
That's not what you said. You said, and I quote, "shoot if caught".If they threaten violence and will not stop.
TRUE. But the rougher the terrain, the less likely the crossing, and what crossing there is would be naturally funneled to hot spots - Mountainous terrain is an effective barrier, naturally funneling traffic into defensible canyons and valleys. Where water is scarce, traffic is predicted and limited by watering holes...
If there was ever a legitimate use of eminent domain, border protection would be it. And normally, the US retains right-of-way (according to my experience on the Northern border)
FALSE. Most borders follow natural geography. Most countries create barriers on their borders. Fences along rivers are nothing new at all. Solutions are already well known.
TRUE, but expected. All borders are garrisoned. The cost of protecting the border is far, far cheaper than allowing unfettered passage, as we already know.
TRUE, but expected. Criminals are always as such. desperate or bad, or both. That's what makes them criminals. Every other border on the planet faces the same sort of problems, and are effectively managed.
What makes our southern border unique is many generations of tradition wherein criminals expect to be able to break the law with impunity, creating an uncontrollable (unstoppable) force. Such a force requires an immovable object, and a big hammer.
Once a workable solution is established, and a period of brutal enforcement ensues, the impossibility creates impasse, and the pressure on the border will diminish dramatically.
that may not be the best idea.That's not what you said. You said, and I quote, "shoot if caught".
You mean lack of possession of such paperwork? Not at all.
I don't carry my Birth Certificate in my wallet... do you?
Again, do you carry these things on you? No?
So when they claim, "oh, right, my Birth Certificate is on file at City Hall... what, you can't find it? Well, that's your problem, isn't it?" What's the response?
A human rights atrocity is what i would be.Take all the time to contemplate it you need.that may not be the best idea.
And you have supportable figures to support this claim, of course?
That wasn't the question, though, was it?I actually could produce my birth certificate and passport if allowed to travel home...so yes, I would be able to produce them to a court of law on the same day with no problem.
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