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I don't see companies willing to pay people the same wages for less work.
Which is why I questioned that maybe such adjustments settle in time. Although I can't think that people didn't face some decrease in lifestyle for at least a little while in it's initial stages.
Well there's a minimum wage, and companies have to offer incentives to work higher responsibility/ skill jobs. Maybe they could be given no choice.
I don't have the info, but it could probably be googled. But I see no reason to assume that.
Things change. Don't you think the industrialization of the developing world was relevant too?
Employment in the UK (for example) is below 5%. It's not as if there aren't jobs because some jobs have gone away.
Why isn't it possible? Why don't people work 6 days a week?
Many people work 5 days a week. Why don't think only eat 5 days a week? Why don't people work 6 days a week?
Why did work hours decrease in the past?
Why now does productive increase, and the rich get richer, but the average person sees little increase in pay, or decrease in work?
If I wouldn't be losing any money or benefits, but I would be gaining a day off, then absolutely I'd take it. However, that's not free to the people who pay me, and one needs to look at sustainability. My workplace is 24/7, needing a certain amount of coverage each day. Working four days rather than five means more people need to be hired to provide ample coverage. Since this isn't a job that just anybody can do, they need to find qualified people, then train them up (initial training is a month, but there's still a lot of learning to do in the first year). There are costs associated with that - training, pay, benefits, etc. So even if everyone hired in were to fully make up for that (eventually), it's more overhead for roughly the same amount of productivity. So from the perspective of the people that pay me, I don't see how it makes sense. If it doesn't make sense to them, then I'm looking out the corner of my eye for changes that will negatively impact me.What if you worked less, but were paid similar?
Why?
How about having 4 days mandated and allowing people to spend the rest of their time as they see fit, helping other people if they want to and in the way they desire? Wouldn't that be better, to allow people to spend their time on charity as they see fit?Good for the soul
would be a pat answer. It has to do with self-worth in that people
are happier and healthier if they are busy helping others and feeling
productive and empowered. Without that people become confused
or even violent.
Couldn't you have said that when people worked 6 days a week, or 16 hours a day? Why arbitrarily be happy with where we are?
To me it just seems like a waste of time working 5/7 days of my life. What's the point if it could be different?
That was probably true too in the past. Many people just learn to be happy with the conditions they have to live in. I'd bet humans were relatively happy living in caves thousands of years ago. That doesn't mean the working class should live like that now.
How about having 4 days mandated and allowing people to spend the rest of their time as they see fit, helping other people if they want to and in the way they desire? Wouldn't that be better, to allow people to spend their time on charity as they see fit?
Some people actually do that.Is that what people do? When given time off they work for charities?
I've not seen that happen.
Some people actually do that.
Do you think that the average person should be forced to act for the good of society with a sanctioned portion of their time?
But those people would still work, just for a few hours less each week.I call that getting paid for work, and yes, that system works out very well.
Those who do not work, should not eat.
Hard to find jobs like that outside of off-the-books stuff anymore. No one wants to pay the overtime pay. Walmart (one of the richest companies in the world) always makes people shave off hours so they stay under 40 hours. Getting unauthorized overtime can get you fired.Maybe you should go back to working six days a week with 10 hours each?
Most people don't work under contract, it's "at will employment", which means either party can end the employment at anytime.A employee can't be required to work 5 or more days in a row in their contract? And a minimum wage could help hold wages at similar levels?
I'm not saying I have it all worked out, I'm just asking the questions. It seems strange that days of work and hours worked fell, but then stopped. At the same time the rich keep getting richer, which normal people don't see much of that.
Are resources going towards making the rich richer, instead of peoples lives better?
If it's voluntarily agreed to by the workers and the company, then great. If it's forced by the government, then it will likely result in hours being cut and jobs being reduced so the companies won't lose profit, which ultimately will hurt the workers.What if people were paid the same (per year) for one less days work?
Many people work multiple jobs to make bank. They work 60-80 hours a week and get no overtime pay or benefits because each job keeps them just below the threshold where they would have to pay benefits or overtime. The companies will find ways around the government mandate, and that usually results in the workers getting the shaft.Why is it okay to work 5 days instead of 6 then?
Is number of jobs really a problem? Unemployment is below 5%. And might not more people be employed to fill the gap of less work days?
I'm sure some company would hire you to do 60 hours a week if you agreed to do it for the same pay as someone who did 40 hours.Hard to find jobs like that outside of off-the-books stuff anymore. No one wants to pay the overtime pay. Walmart (one of the richest companies in the world) always makes people shave off hours so they stay under 40 hours. Getting unauthorized overtime can get you fired.
If I could work 60 hours a week, with overtime pay, for a decent wage, I'd absolutely do it. That's money in the bank. But you usually have to have a valuable skill or trade to get that kind of job these days, or be in an important job. Otherwise, you can work multiple part time jobs and not get overtime or work off the books jobs and not get overtime. Those are about the only way to get more than 40 hours on a wage these days.I'm sure some company would hire you to do 60 hours a week if you agreed to do it for the same pay as someone who did 40 hours.
And if enough people would do it, then EVERYONE would have to work 60 hours a week for the same time, and 1 out of 3 people would be unneccessary.
Wouldn't that be better?
Nonono. No overtime pay. The same pay you get right now, just more work.If I could work 60 hours a week, with overtime pay, for a decent wage, I'd absolutely do it.
I would if I had to. But it would have to be a cash-only off the books job. Legitimate 40 hour jobs are hard enough to come by.Nonono. No overtime pay. The same pay you get right now, just more work.
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