Because she was up for censure at Thompsonville and Danny wouldn't release her from her gag order so that she could defend herself at that business meeting.
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Because she was up for censure at Thompsonville and Danny wouldn't release her from her gag order so that she could defend herself at that business meeting.Again, that would be because she/you never requested the transfer after that. If it was no problem and the membership transfer could have been done without censure then why did she/you join another church by proffesion of faith and when a simple transfer would do?
Again, that would be because she/you never requested the transfer after that. If it was no problem and the membership transfer could have been done without censure then why did she/you join another church by proffesion of faith and when a simple transfer would do?
My understanding is that she was not. My understanding is that, threatened with a censure but not being able to defend herself, she chose to request that her name be dropped, and it was dropped at her request. She then was accepted in elsewhere by profession of faith.So...was she or was she not ever officially censured?
She was never censured.Ok, this is where I am confused.
The new church, all are agreed, had no censure.
The other church apparently threatened to censure but never did?
I have gotten two stories on that.
Did they censure or did they just consider censure if there was a transfer?
Generally a censure is something done apart from any other action. A later transfer would be held up by a previous censure, but wouldn't be the occassion for one where there wasn't one already.
So...was she or was she not ever officially censured?
And http://www.whitepages.com/10001/log...=IL&default_listing=phone&extra_listing=mixed gives Lomacang's phone number.I think tall that the only way to know for sure is to ask them:
web site: http://thompsonville22.adventistchurchconnect.org/
phone: 618-627-2999
That's not the issue. The issue is whether we've got a conflict of interest that could jeopardize 3ABN's tax-exempt status, and whether we've got fraud.
I think tall that the only way to know for sure is to ask them:
web site: http://thompsonville22.adventistchurchconnect.org/
phone: 618-627-2999
So are you against anyone other than the IRS from asking questions? I think that's the wrong approach. Anyone can ask such questions of a 501(c)3, can't they? This is America.Well, "we" meaning you of course, shouldn't be concerned.
That is what we are looking at if Danny knowingly did not properly report all his assets and income on the financial affidavit he filed last July, isn't it? And did not Danny indicate to me in writing that he was hiding information about his royalties until after his case was settled? Didn't he?3. You have done nothing but speculate from one end of the spectrum to the other to paint a deceiving picture of "do WE have fraud?"
My dear brother,
I agree.
I took that advice back in Septermber 2006 on the BSDA forum. I have been happily cruising along in this forum and then what do I see? The same allegations, gossip and lies from BSDA that they want to spread here!
If anything, I have to speak up to let this group know that they can't go around poisoning this forum too.
Is this Christian? Sometimes, I too, wonder - and then realize that people, in the guise of upholding a ministry, are actively engaged in trying to tear it down.
Ok,
1, calling them might work.
2. the accounts seem to make sense if she withdrew her membership, so calling may be unnecessary.
If she withdrew her membership then that was that. I agree, that was a poor approach. But I can see where she might do that.
Unfortunately it left the larger church with no real resolution here. Thanks all for helping me understand what happened.
To my understanding it did. The finding would be censure. Obviously her "gag" order did not apply to speaking to the church board or the 3abn board for that matter. That is just another spin by Pickle. She could have went before either at anytime. She chose not to.
Again, that would be because she/you never requested the transfer after that. If it was no problem and the membership transfer could have been done without censure then why did she/you join another church by proffesion of faith and when a simple transfer would do?
Tall73, may i ask; are you a practicing SDA pastor?
No, Mr. J, Tomatoe was not present at the business meeting where she was censured, nor was anyone else. No one presented evidence of Linda's alleged aultery, no one made the motion, no one seconded, and there was no vote. This is because it never happened. IT NEVER HAPPENED. No such meeting happened.Were you present at the business meeting where she was censured? Who presented evidence of Linda's alleged adultery? Who made the motion? Who seconded? Was the vote unanimous?
Or are you just relying on what someone told you for your facts but actually witnessed or participated in none of it?
In His service,
Mr. J
Linda submitted a request that she be excused from her contract with 3ABN for the purpose of testifying at the church business meeting that John Lomacang had insisted on in which Linda was to be censured. Danny let her know that to do so would cost her $150,000.00 her 3ABN severance pay.If church discipline is indicated, whether or not a transfer of membership has been requested is irrelevant. If the church was only willing to censure her if she tried to leave, then that church is WRONG and in violation of the Adventist church's policy on church discipline as noted in the current church manual.
If she was deserving of church discipline she should have been disciplined. If she was not deserving of church discipline then the church was remiss in not releasing her membership... not to mention the pastor and the officers of that church, in holding her membership hostage like that put themselves in a position where they could, and, in all likelihood, should have face discipline themselves. Given the continued recalcitrance of those who persist in making Linda wear a scarlet letter to produce actual evidence of the alleged adultery, no discipline could move forward until said evidence was presented to the church.
In His service,
Mr. J
LOL, a soft answer turneth away...Yes, I am a practicing pastor, and one day I hope to get it right
My dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
I fully understand, and have used, the adversarial approach to settle disputes in a court of law. However with that being said I must ask all these questions; Have we, as the Body of Christ, the church, become "worldly" in our approach to problems within the church such as this? Is a public forum the correct place to debate such matters? There has been a great deal of time and effort spent by all on this matter; Have each of you spent the same amount of time and energy in prayer over this?
I do not ask these qustions to offend anyone. I only ask them because the tenor of this thread, as well other threads, seems to be lacking in a spirit of brotherly love and makes me wonder WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc
No, Mr. J, Tomatoe was not present at the business meeting where she was censured, nor was anyone else. No one presented evidence of Linda's alleged aultery, no one made the motion, no one seconded, and there was no vote. This is because it never happened. IT NEVER HAPPENED. No such meeting happened.
Tomatoe's allegations about censure are as valid as Danny's lies about adultery. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
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