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3 residents of The Villages arrested for casting multiple votes in 2020 election (make that 4)

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What is in place to stop systematic fraud from occurring that would also allow three old geezers in the Villages to pull it off? Somehow, they were able to commit the fraud in the first place which is what I find disturbing. It tells me that if they could do it, a systematic effort might also succeed. It might even be more likely to be successful and less likely to be discovered if those attempting the fraud were better equipped to cover it up, less likely to be discovered.

I don't consider that punishing fraud after it has occurred, and the fraud has accomplished its intended effect, deals with the issue. Being caught after the election results are finalized would mean that the effort succeeed in its goal. Suppose at some future time, seeing that the three old geezers were able to successfully cast fraudulent votes, that a more organized entity decided it would be worth their time and effort to use similar tactics? Even if detected months later the results would still be the same and if the more organized entity were a bit more facile at a cover up than the three geezers it might not ever be detected.
The larger the number of fraudulent votes the more likely it is that they would be discovered before the votes were certified. It's a small number of votes that are less likely to be discovered.
Thousands of pins in a haystack; red light something has gone terribly wrong. Five pins in a haystack, now that takes some serious examination to even find one.
It sounds to me like this FL cty system is working.
 
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I thought voter fraud didn't exist? I guess it actually is a problem that needs to be addressed.
That's a gross mischaracterisation.

The claims of Trump and many around him (including his paid employees/lawyers) were that there was widespread voter fraud which resulted in the 2020 election being stolen from Trump and handing the win to Biden.

The counter claim is that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud significant enough to have an impact on the 2020 outcome. (This claim has been supported by the many cases presented by Trump's lawyers being thrown out of the courts due to lack of sufficient evidence)

No one has said or implied that there is absolutely no voter fraud at all.
There have been a few people reported on in the media and perhaps being charged criminally for individual cases of voter fraud.

The ones I have seen have been where Republicans or Republican supporters have committed the fraud. However I wouldn't be surprised if there are some instances of Democrats or Democrat supporters also having committed individual fraud. I don't maintain that Democrat supporters are more law abiding or more honest than Republican supporters.
 
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Another point to be made, is this idea that some system could lead to voter fraud by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. For every fraudulent vote, you've got to come up with a name that matches an address, where that person didn't vote. How would some large group know who was or wasn't going to vote?

That's why I love compulsory voting. Try doing the same, but in a country where (almost) everybody votes anyway - thus making it hilariously easy to spot fraud.
 
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It would be a lot easier to do that if the GOP would stop supporting Trump/single letter activists gaslighting the public. So much time and resources are being spent by states trying to make voting harder rather than more secure.
They do accomplish one thing with that strategy. They make it more difficult for the poor to vote. Since they also tend to vote Democratic the ones that know better think that their actions are still justified.
 
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Hi @grasping the after wind

Well, I wasted 10 minutes of my life reading your responses. Look, you gotta believe what you're gonna believe. All historical evidence says otherwise, but obviously you're smarter than people and organizations who make it their work to search out vote irregularities. Good on ya, mate.

God bless,
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I thought voter fraud didn't exist? I guess it actually is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Others have already called you on this, but once again here's what people informed by standard neutral news sources actually believe and assert:

Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds

An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 — a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.
 
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BTW, someone on this thread or another made the comment that voter fraud never gets prosecuted. According to the site that I posted in thread #14 from the Heritage Foundation, there have been 1334 cases of fraud over the last several elections. Some of the data goes back to the early 2000's. Of those 1334 cases 1147 criminal convictions have been handed down. That doesn't really sound like nobody is prosecuting election fraud charges. Most of the others were assigned to diversion programs.

God bless,
Ted

Bear in mind that this is not just for Federal elections, but for state elections, local elections and primaries too!
 
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I thought voter fraud didn't exist? I guess it actually is a problem that needs to be addressed.
We know some voter fraud exist. Yes, Trump told his supporters to vote twice and some did. So, most of the voting fraud comes from Trump supporters. No surprise. I'm surprised Trump got any votes at all. So, I'm guessing Trump only really got a few votes and the rest of his votes are voter fraud.
 
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Bear in mind that this is not just for Federal elections, but for state elections, local elections and primaries too!

Hi @Gene2memE

Of course. But the issue that seems to be the most troubling to folks these days is the national general election. It seems that everyone accepts that all of the other down ticket choices were made fair and square and above board. I don't hear anyone screaming that some Senator or Representative or Governor or Mayor was elected fraudulently by some nefarious plot put together by this shadow group of 'controllers'. No, everyone seems to be rather satisfied that all of the other choices made in the last general election were done right and with a free and fair election process.

So, I'm attempting to address those who somehow believe that just the choice for president was tainted by some, as yet unproven web of fraud and conspiracy that is being thrust upon the duped and dumb general public by this twisted plot of guile and subterfuge that just really excites those who are prone to think that the world is run by some grand group of conspirators.

Other than local elections for sheriff or mayor or some such, most all elections above that line are run at the same time and with the same safeguards in place as the general elections. So, fraud being fraud, if someone had voted fraudulently on other down ticket choices, their fraud would have been found out also. As far as I know about the process.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Ted,

I have not made any claims about any past election fraud other than that committed by the three geezers. Put your strawman away. Your remarks irrelevant to my post aside, the fact that three old geezers got away with fraud does matter. It shows that even rank amateurs and perhaps people with diminished mental capacity that comes invariably with age can successfully commit voter fraud. If three Republicans of that age with little organized help behind them can get away with fraud (by getting away I am referring to accomplishing the goal of having their fraudulent votes counted not necessarily getting away without being punished when discovered too late to do anything concerning those votes. ) can you actually expect me to believe on faith alone that it would be completely impossible for an organized group of Republicans with a much greater knowledge of the system to commit fraud large enough to make a difference in a very close election? I need a bit more assurance in the way of safeguards that you could show me that are in place that would allow three Republican retirees to successfully commit voter fraud in 2020 but keep future efforts by an organized group of Republicans from doing the same thing. I am not at all contending that such efforts have succeeded or even been undertaken in the past by such a group of Republicans or Democrats.
Large scale voter fraud by smart people is being done. It's called gerrymandering and voter suppression laws.
 
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Large scale voter fraud by smart people is being done. It's called gerrymandering and voter suppression laws.
Don't be silly it's all about protecting the integrity of the vote! That's why they're restricting voting times, polling stations and boxes.......

Oh wait a minute you're right.
 
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Hi @essentialsaltes

Well, he did tell his faithful followers to vote more than once. Seems like quite a few of them took him at his word. Yes, wouldn't it be laughable, after all of this year of hearing how crooked all the Democrats are in their voting, to find out that the real culprit in illegal voting is the Republicans. I guess at some point some of them are going to figure out that they should have kept their mouths shut about voter fraud. Let sleeping dogs lie, so to speak.

God bless,
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4th resident of The Villages arrested for allegedly casting multiple ballots
Charles Franklin Barnes was not affiliated with a political party when allegedly voted twice

Anonymous emails sent to Florida’s Secretary of State in May by someone using the pseudonym “Totes Legit Votes” prompted the voter fraud investigation, court records obtained show.

“I believe that if hundreds of people sign sworn affidavits that they saw election irregularities, people should at least try to check into it,” the anonymous tipster told News 6. “You can’t claim ‘the system is working’ if random internet people have to find the violations for you.”
 
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Two Florida men charged with filing ballots in two states in the 2020 presidential election confessed to voter fraud, according to court records.

Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, residents of The Villages in Sumter County, Fla., pleaded guilty to casting more than one ballot in the election. Voter fraud is a third-degree felony that can result in a maximum five-year prison sentence.

[So one of these is one of the original 3, while the other is the one in the post above.]
 
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All four residents of The Villages charged with voting twice in the 2020 election have now admitted to the crime, court records show.

John Rider, 62, recently entered into a pre-trial intervention program that will allow him to avoid potential prison time if he successfully completes court-ordered requirements and refrains from violating the law.

Is it violating the law if the rightly elected and undisputed leader of the free world and most popular and successful president of all time tells you to do it?
 
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Is it violating the law if the rightly elected and undisputed leader of the free world and most popular and successful president of all time tells you to do it?

Jan 6 defendants have not found that to be a viable defense. Durn liberal judges.
 
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