Was that put there to deceive people into viewing it as holy?
I agree with you on that one although there are those who insist that it is a synthetic religion created by putting bits of Christianity and Judaism together with the existing religion of the Arabs. So there might be an opening for calling it a Christian heresy after all, and I've heard some very smart people make the claim.First, how can Islam be 'heretical?' It is not a Christian religion and, therefore, does not accept 'orthodox' or 'heterodox' views within the Christian traditions.
Satan is capable of deceiving people in various ways. Why wouldn't religion be at or near the top of his to-do list?Calling it demonic does not make any sense either. It is simply another faith or religion.
You're right that people get sloppy when addressing that matter. It's not a sin to be gay. Acting on it is another matter.Secondly, how is it sinful to be gay? Being gay is just who a person is.
There are 3 values of God that many people like to label "phobias," i.e. mental diseases.
1. Islamophobia - being AGAINST ISLAM.
2. Homophobia - being AGAINST PERVERSION.
3. Xenophobia - being AGAINST IMMIGRATION.
Because all the false accusations, that being against these things is disease (or at least like unto mental diseases), do not seem to be capable of being overthrown, that the language incorporating them is becoming ever more entrenched, it seems necessary to endorse them, take them up as one's own, in order to overcome them.
Hence the necessity to insist these values are very godly, that the godly person will endorse these values. (And the people who enjoy beating up people with these fake names of supposedly irrational fears are quite anti-God.)
Perhaps there is some inherent truth in the "phobic" designation, in that those very concerned for God, who love God greatly, will "get all upset by" recognizing these things are against the will of God and hence we should be (in the present context of language usage) islamophobic, homophobic, and xenophobic?
I agree with you on that one although there are those who insist that it is a synthetic religion created by putting bits of Christianity and Judaism together with the existing religion of the Arabs. So there might be an opening for calling it a Christian heresy after all, and I've heard some very smart people make the claim.
Satan is capable of deceiving people in various ways. Why wouldn't religion be at or near the top of his to-do list?
You're right that people get sloppy when addressing that matter. It's not a sin to be gay. Acting on it is another matter.
No, they think everything of their political ideology (presented as a religion), including killing you if you are not a Muslim, they think everything called for in their "holy" book the Koran, including the killing of infidels, to be "holy."
All those religions, except Biblical Christianity, have historically embraced invocational sorcery and explorations of the demonic spirit world. Hinduism and Buddhism involve all kinds of occult rituals and practices. Kabala is a form of Jewish mysticism steeped in occult symbols and rituals, while Sufism and Folk Islam are examples of Islamic mysticism and animism.
There's nothing "Godly" about exclusion. I don't serve a God of exclusion. During His time on earth, He deliberately went to see the least desirable people of the time: tax collectors, lepers, children in the sense that the apostles wanted them to be 'seen and not heard'.
I don't understand this impulse among some Christians to pigeonhole the church into a small sect of self-righteous, white, straight people. That's not what the Bible calls us to do, and I would question any church that called itself a witness if it was participating in that kind of bigotry.
Ringo
Yes, there is nothing godly about "exclusion," it is a neutral term in regard to Godliness.
God would EXCLUDE THE BAD, and welcome the good.
So what is excluded is the relevant consideration - if a certain political ideology representing itself as a religion calls for the killing of "infidels" because they do not subscribe to the ideology, then we should try to be sure to exclude that!
It would be simply stupid and ridiculous never to exclude anything from our society - the law is precisely the vehicle we have for trying to exclude the evil and immoral.
If one truly did not serve a God of exclusion, then one would most likely be serving the Devil, seems to me.
It is doubtful there are many who want to "pigenhole the church into a small sect of self-righteous, white, straight people." A "STRAW MAN."
That said, certainly all who think themselves to be serving God should be totally against sexual perversion and never think the destruction of the family we see in Western society today is an acceptable thing.
Actually, no. To be sure, you didn't name names, so it can't denied that some persons somewhere might fit that profile, but it's the real experts in Middle Eastern culture who have insisted--long before the average person gave militant Islam much thought--that it's more of a political movement than a religion or, to put it another way, that the two cannot be separated the way we in the Christian West commonly do.Many - and I don't necessarily include you in this - who say that Islam is a "political ideology masquerading as a religion" and complain about Sharia law in the US are the same ones who want the United States government to be Christian, and who want Christians exclusively to be elected to office.
Actually, no. To be sure, you didn't name names, so it can't denied that some persons somewhere might fit that profile,
Unfortunately, every survey conducted of public opinion among the people of just about every Moslem nation shows overwhelming support for the objectives of the most extreme militants. Few Christians support the Christian "firebreathers" they see on TV or know to occupy some pulpits--and they make it clear that they do not, often arguing that these aren't "real" Christians or, if not that, that they give Christianity a bad name.When someone only sees Muslim terrorists on TV, they think all Muslims are like that. But they aren't. When someone only sees a far-right wing preacher on TV who takes literally the verse about homosexuals having "blood on their heads", they think all Christians are firebreathers. But they aren't.
Ringo
Many - and I don't necessarily include you in this - who say that Islam is a "political ideology masquerading as a religion" and complain about Sharia law in the US are the same ones who want the United States government to be Christian, and who want Christians exclusively to be elected to office.
So aside from the fact that the (recessively) extreme Muslims kill and behead people, I'm not sure I see that much of a difference. Both so-called Christianists and so-called Islamists want to impose their values on a country.
Ringo
There Is No "God-Given Right" To Worship False Gods: Scott Buss: 9781517766061: Amazon.com: BooksNo, Christians as Christians do not want to impose their set of rules on all society like Islamists do.
Christians do NOT want anything like Mosque or Church rule.
I think Christianists and Islamists have another thing in common: they're not representative of their respective religions. Most Christians are peace-minded people who simply want to live life the way they feel God has instructed them. Most Muslims are also peace-minded people who are simply trying to follow Allah and his teachings.
The problem is that both Islamists and Christianists - and especially Islamists these days - tend to be much more vocal and visible than most of the other adherents of the respective religion. When someone only sees Muslim terrorists on TV, they think all Muslims are like that. But they aren't. When someone only sees a far-right wing preacher on TV who takes literally the verse about homosexuals having "blood on their heads", they think all Christians are firebreathers. But they aren't.
Ringo
Where do you get the verse about "blood on their heads"?
Don't forget Mohammed. They try to folly the Allah teachings of Mohammed.
And he acted and prescribed the most vicious sorts of things.
I doubt it's true that most Muslims are doing the two things you commend - I think they are contradictory of each other. Either they are peace-loving, or they do inDEED "follow Allah's teacher and teachings." But not both, not both at once.
Bible said:This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”
Leviticus 20:13.
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Where do you get the verse about "blood on their heads"?
Leviticus 20:13.
My translation has "upon them," "their blood shall be upon them." (The deaded perversion addicts.)
Did your's actually read, "blood on their hands"?
Note how the New Testament treats this: they are not SAID TO BE, commanded to be, put to death - they ("merely") should know that they are WORTHY OF DEATH, that is, deserve the death penality. Should be clearly aware it is thus and so.
I Samuel 15:2-3 -
This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”
So are Christians who do this following the teachings of the Christian God?
Ringo
Don't know that we are about to come upon any Amalekites, one way or the other.
That's not the point (which you know, but you're trying to muddy the waters).
Ringo
That is certainly the point. God gave a command appropriate for the moment - it has nothing to do with us!
So what you're saying is that bringing up Old Testament commands is old enough to be ignored, but anywhere that the Q'uran calls for rough treatment of non-believers is completely valid?
Good to know that you admit the double standard being applied here.
Ringo
Nother STRAW MAN. Or two.
It's nothing about "old enough to be ignored." It's specific enough for us to ignore it, for it is directed toward quite some other people.
Whereas Koran prescriptions, the one to "kill the infidel" (if he doesn't submit) for instance, they are definitely directed toward all Muslim believers.
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