3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

[Loundry]

My own denomination, while taking the position that "homosexual practice is incompatible with Christian teaching,"

"An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." 1 Co 7:32-35

Does your denomination take the position that married people make less faithful Christians? Scripture is clear on this point.

 

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For those who are not able to register and see the rest of the article, here is a portion speaking in support:

Exodus' president, Alan Chambers, reached by phone at the meeting in Irvine, said he disagreed with its critics, adding that its methods have helped many people, including him.

"Exodus is here for people who want an alternative to homosexuality," Chambers said. "There are thousands of people like me who have overcome this. I think there's room for more than one opinion on this subject, and giving people options isn't dangerous."

I am not offering this as a show of my feelings about the article. I am trying to show fairness, by giving both sides of the article for people to read.

 

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"An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." 1 Co 7:32-35

Does your denomination take the position that married people make less faithful Christians? Scripture is clear on this point.

This is a misrepresentation of scripture. Scripture is not clear on your point that married people make less faithful Christians. What it is clear is that those who remain unmarried/uncoupled/unfettered with relationship woes, are not distracted by the fleshly concerns of managing a relationship, and therefore are less likely to be kept from doing the Lord's work. Those who are married have the added burden of battling fleshly distractions. It doesn't make them less His. It just means they have to work a little harder.

 

[Mling]

This is a misrepresentation of scripture. Scripture is not clear on your point that married people make less faithful Christians. What it is clear is that those who remain unmarried/uncoupled/unfettered with relationship woes, are not distracted by the fleshly concerns of managing a relationship, and therefore are less likely to be kept from doing the Lord's work. Those who are married have the added burden of battling fleshly distractions. It doesn't make them less His. It just means they have to work a little harder.

And yet, when a person supporting homosexuals points out that the Bible is not as clear on the issue as one verse, taken out of context, might make it seem, this is called "twisting scripture" or trying to justify sin.

(I don't know if you've said this or not...I haven't been keeping up with the thread, so this isn't directed at you. Unless you have said it.)

 

[kit]

You will know them by their fruit. The fact is that the so called 'ex-gay' movement is rotten bitter fruit. At it's heart it is a lie.

Look at how many "ex-gay" leaders eventually accept their homosexuality. The founders of Exodus and Homosexuals Anonymous each became ex-ex-gay. Focus on the Family's poster boy got caught in a gay bar. American Family Association poster boy went ex-ex-gay.

I used to go to HA meetings. They were a farce. Fortunately I was the only homosexual who showed up.

look at the differences between AA and the "ex-gay" groups. Alcohol is the source of breakdown in Alcoholics lives. Homosexuality is not a problem in gay peoples' lives. AA believes that honesty is an integral part of recovery. "Ex-gay" groups demand unsubstantiated hypotheses to be believed in order to "overcome" homosexuality. These groups even deny homosexuality. It is opposed to objective truth.

It is notable how anti-scientific the "ex-gay" agenda is. Dr. Nicolosi a leading proponent of this quackery can't even produce a success rate of 2%. The pinacle of their hopes are that one will be abstinent or breed.

Virtually all of us who are Gay asked God to make us heterosexual. We begged and prayed and fasted. The Christian God didn't oblige. Why? Is God impotent. Doesn't God care? Does God disagree with the "Christians"? Seems like God has some answering to do.

 

[Rev Wayne]

"An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." 1 Co 7:32-35

Does your denomination take the position that married people make less faithful Christians? Scripture is clear on this point.

This question has nothing to do with anything I posted.

 

[MachZer0]

Are personal attacks all that the homosexuals have to offer in response to reasoned arguments?

 

[SimplyMe]

I think you have your threads confused, on this thread the personal attacks have primarily been on the three former leaders of ex-gay ministry that have been attacked by anti-gays.

 

[Loundry]

This is a misrepresentation of scripture.

"Misrepresentation of scripture" == "You're not SPINNING scripture in the politically-correct way"

Scripture is not clear on your point that married people make less faithful Christians.

You're totally wrong.

Take two Christians. One is married, the other is not. The married Christian has, on average, 18 waking hours. He has to cut God out of the picture sometimes to please his wife. The unmarried Christian can devote all 18 hours to serving your god. Which one will be more devoted? Are you saying you can spend less time serving your god and be just as devoted to your god as someone who spends every waking hour serving your god?

It doesn't make them less His. It just means they have to work a little harder.

This isn't an issue of being "less his" (proper capitalization, thank you). This is an issue of which is more faithful. There are only 24 hours in the day. You can't make more hours in the day by "working harder". How do you "work harder" to serve your god, anyway? Are you saying that you're saved by works? (Jesus would agree with you, Paul wouldn't.)

The unmarried man has greater faith since he's getting all of his needs met from your god while the married man has to resort to getting his needs met from an earthly being. Are you going to argue that your god can't do the same job that another human can do?

 

[Loundry]

Are personal attacks all that the homosexuals have to offer in response to reasoned arguments?

Are complaints to admins all that gay-bashing Christians have to offer in response to reasonable questions?

 

[Loundry]

This question has nothing to do with anything I posted.

I totally disagree.

If you're going to talk about what scripture is "clear" about, then let's start examining if you really are devoted to following scripture. My belief is that you adhere to scripture strongly when it bashes gays and then start "interpreting" it once it would negatively affect your lifestyle. Is this true?

 

[MachZer0]

Are complaints to admins all that gay-bashing Christians have to offer in response to reasonable questions?

When homosexuals misrepresent facts, what do you expect?

 

[ALiberalTeen]

When homosexuals misrepresent facts, what do you expect?

lol

So you admit gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults

 

[MachZer0]

lol

So you admit gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults

Another classic misrepresentation.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Another classic misrepresentation.

No, it's not. Someone just stated that it was gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults and you said only because homosexuals make up facts, so you indeed said that gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults

 

[MachZer0]

No, it's not. Someone just stated that it was gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults and you said only because homosexuals make up facts, so you indeed said that gay-bashing Christians are the one's using personal insults

What was actually said was

Are complaints to admins all that gay-bashing Christians have to offer in response to reasonable questions

Demonstrating that your posts (both of them) are complete misrepesentations of reality

 

[MrPirate]

I totally disagree.

If you're going to talk about what scripture is "clear" about, then let's start examining if you really are devoted to following scripture. My belief is that you adhere to scripture strongly when it bashes gays and then start "interpreting" it once it would negatively affect your lifestyle. Is this true?

That is pretty standard. Those talking most loudly about “correctly” interpreting scripture usually are the people ignoring anything they happen to dislike or find inconvenient and the ones fastest to use scripture to attack and condemn people they don’t like.

 

[Loundry]

When homosexuals misrepresent facts, what do you expect?

Which facts have I misrepresented?

 

[silentreader]

That is pretty standard. Those talking most loudly about “correctly” interpreting scripture usually are the people ignoring anything they happen to dislike or find inconvenient and the ones fastest to use scripture to attack and condemn people they don’t like.

quite ironic that you don't ever post scriptural exegesis and when confronted with some, you start insulting the poster.

 

[Loundry]

quite ironic that you don't ever post scriptural exegesis and when confronted with some, you start insulting the poster.

What is this "scriptural exegesis" nonsense? If you have scripture to support your view, post it! Otherwise, admit that that your views come from directly from Satan.

If you do not hate your family, then you are not Jesus' disciple. Jesus said so.