War on Terror?

[Stormy]

Every day I hear of more and more people being killed by terrorist. No it is not here in the States, but it is a daily occurrence in Israel. Why are we not there stopping these deplorable actions against mankind? Or are we there but unable to end this violence?

I could not imagine living under those conditions... Not knowing when and where the next suicide bomber will show up.

IMO If America truly wants to make a stand against terrorist, then along with our current program of seeking out terrorist, we should be stopping them right now in their attacks against Israel.

Please help me to understand why the terror is not under control.

 

[kaotic]

Yeah I don't like to hear about people dieing over there.

I am not really sure if we are over there or not but if we find evidence that Al Queda is help these groups over there we might go over there, and help.

Well I wouldn't want to live in those conditions, but I have talked to a few people at school and they think that we might be the nex Isreal. They think that suicide bombers might show up here.

Yeah we should be stoping them.

Well There is many reasons. One I guess is cause they don't like Isreal, and USA. Another one is that they don't want us helping Isreal, and they don't want us anywhere in the middle east. But there is a lot of reasons.

 

[Lacmeh]

Well, perhaps peopel get a bit angry over there is because being denied emergency medical attention, their schools and farmland destroyed, getting tortured by the police, Israeli High Court rulings violating human rights, the Leader of the Israeli nation being a war criminal, Bombs and rockets dropped in populated areas and public streets.

Ther is not much difference in shooting a rocket into a car in the middle of the day on a populated street and a guy blowing of a bomb in a populated street. But the first act gets ignored and second act gets reported as vile terrorist attack.

As long as the other nations see Israel only as the poor country under terrorist attack, nothing will change.

 

[Stormy]

As long as the other nations see Israel only as the poor country under terrorist attack, nothing will change.

What are you saying?

Why should I not view Israel as being held at the mercy of terrorist?

Why should I not pray ... that our government will come to their defense and put a stop to it?

 

[mac_philo]

Originally posted by Stormy
Every day I hear of more and more people being killed by terrorist. No it is not here in the States, but it is a daily occurrence in Israel. Why are we not there stopping these deplorable actions against mankind? Or are we there but unable to end this violence?

I could not imagine living under those conditions... Not knowing when and where the next suicide bomber will show up.

IMO If America truly wants to make a stand against terrorist, then along with our current program of seeking out terrorist, we should be stopping them right now in their attacks against Israel.

Please help me to understand why the terror is not under control.

We are already doing for Israel what you desire. They receive more American aid than any nation. We also provide the hardware for their military. Palestinian neighborhoods are littered with 'Made in the USA' shell casings.

 

[Lacmeh]

Stormy, it is the moral thing to support and pray for a war criminal? Please then support and pray not only for Sharon but for Hussein, too.

Soldiers firing rockets and bombs on populated streets is quite the way to create peace.
Allowing torture a long time as valid method of interrogation is a sign for respect of human rights?
Denying emergency medical care, shooting at Red Cross members, destroying Red Cross vehicles and buildings is the right thing to do?

Perhaps You should pray for those Red Cross and UN members that were shot by Israeli soldiers...

 

[IslandBreeze]

We should absolutely defend Israel 100%. They aren't blowing themselves up on the street, killing innocent people. The only time they act is in self-defense. Israelis are God's chosen people. They need our help, and we shouldn't back down from defending them. On the other hand, people who live in a place like that are somewhat foolish. If things were THAT bad, my family and I would move in a heartbeat.

 

[mac_philo]

Originally posted by Cammie
We should absolutely defend Israel 100%. They aren't blowing themselves up on the street, killing innocent people. The only time they act is in self-defense. Israelis are God's chosen people. They need our help, and we shouldn't back down from defending them. On the other hand, people who live in a place like that are somewhat foolish. If things were THAT bad, my family and I would move in a heartbeat.

The Palestinian economy is in shambles. You think every Palestinian has the means to emigrate?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Cammie
We should absolutely defend Israel 100%. They aren't blowing themselves up on the street, killing innocent people. The only time they act is in self-defense. Israelis are God's chosen people. They need our help, and we shouldn't back down from defending them. On the other hand, people who live in a place like that are somewhat foolish. If things were THAT bad, my family and I would move in a heartbeat.

You realize that the conflict in the middle East is hardly a b&w issue. Israel has been accused of committing all sorts of atrocities against the Palestinian people. (For example, do a search for "Ariel Sharon" and "war crimes").

Both sides have blood on their hands in this conflict. People need to realize this.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Stormy
Why should I not view Israel as being held at the mercy of terrorist?

Why not view the Palestinian people as being held at the mercy of an oppressive government?

 

[Lacmeh]

Cammie, no Israelis don´t blow themselves up on populateds streets, they just shoot rockets from helicopters into populated streets...

 

[Blindfaith]

Lacmeh, they go after the terrorists and leaders who decide to bomb a dance club.....or a supermarket.......or a bus loaded with civilians......or....or....or......

The Palestinian government is nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists.  Period.

If I had to choose between helping God's chosen people, or the Palestinians, I'd help the Israeli's any day of the week.

Do you really think that Israel will ever fall?  Do you really think God would allow that?  Thanks, but I choose to be on God's side, not the terrorists side.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by blindfaith
Lacmeh, they go after the terrorists and leaders who decide to bomb a dance club.....or a supermarket.......or a bus loaded with civilians......or....or....or......

Or the Israeli army surrounding the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (in 1982), then proceeding to murder thousands of Palestinian civilians (including women and children)?

The Palestinian government is nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists.  Period.

Um, Ariel Sharon? War crimes? Hello?

 

[Starscream]

Originally posted by blindfaith
Do you really think that Israel will ever fall?  Do you really think God would allow that?  Thanks, but I choose to be on God's side, not the terrorists side.

That's exactly the problem - everyone thinks that God is on thier side.  Everyone thinks that they are Gods chosen people. 

*sigh* Religion has such a terrible grip on this world...

 

[Dewjunkie]

All along, I have been, for the most part, supportive of our efforts to oust oppresive regimes and aid the oppressed. But, after a recent, lengthy conversation with my wife, I began to look at things a bit differently.

Middle East tension has existed since the Old Testament times. I think it is pretentious and ignorant of the US to think that we have the ability or the need to go in and end them. It's a never-ending battle, and quite honestly, as I do my job as a first hand witness to the US self-destructing almost with pleasure, I can't help but think maybe we should focus on our own soil and taking care of the multitude of problems within. I see a lot of time, money, and innocent life being wasted on efforts to solve everyone else's issues that could much more effectively be used to solve our own.

Valid cases can be made against both Israelis and Palestinians for being barbaric, ruthless terrorists. Israel may not have ever done anything to us, but to say they are innocent of any heinous acts against other humans is completely wrong.

I am not saying that we should build up walls around the US and seclude ourselves and disregard the rest of the world. But as I think with the gift of hindsight, I see that a lot of problems the US has been involved in attempting to solve that were in some ways caused by the US in the first place. It's extremely hypocritical in my opinion to be trapsing around the world in some superhero capacity while our own home lies in disarray.

I am not surrendering my Conservative Christian Republican membership, but I think that we do need to do some critical, informed thinking about who's going to save us from ourselves while we save everybody else.

 

[zyzychyn]

Israel is God's chosen people, sure, but they're not acting much like it. Why can't they just share the land, geez, it's not that hard. Split it. Give Palestine the Gaza strip and west bank, share Jerusalem. It's just dirt. It's not worth the lives both sides have been taking from each other.

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by blindfaith
The Palestinian government is nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists. Period.

Perhaps, but don't make the mistake of identifying all Palestinians with the views of Arafat or a few suicide bombers. Do the Palestinian people deserve the same rights that America seems to believe all people should have?

Now, as to the larger topic, here's an interesting and perhaps valid phrase: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". The term terrorist usually depends on where you live.

 

[Stormy]

Originally posted by strathyboy
Now, as to the larger topic, here's an interesting and perhaps valid phrase: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". The term terrorist usually depends on where you live.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
--FBI Definition

Tell me do you think by this definition that the United States has committed gross acts of terror? Or do we consider our acts as lawful? Who gets to say what is lawful?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Stormy
Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
--FBI Definition

Tell me do you think by this definition that the United States has committed gross acts of terror?

I'm sure the American war with the British might qualify under that definition.

Or do we consider our acts as lawful? Who gets to say what is lawful?

That's the problem. There are two sides to every conflict. Unfortunately, resolving these conflicts usually involves one side just beating the other into submission. And the winners get to paint the losers with whatever brush they want.

 

[Lacmeh]

Cammie, I am sure, the members of the Red Cross and UNO help organisations are terrorists, because they are being shot by Israeli soldiers.
Dropping a rocket into a populated street and killing some children is ok, because those children were surely wanted suicide bombers.
Destroying schools and farms is the right thing to do, because, *gasp* people might learn something and perchance get a job and actually be able to fend for themself and disapprove of terrorism. Destrying farms is right, because *gasp* people might actually do something productive with their time instead of thinking how to destroy Israel.
Israel is the chosen nation, therefore torturing prisoners is the will of God. Destroying hospitals and denying people emergency medical care is the will of God. Purposefully killing children is the will of God. Woould I be You, I wouldn´t want to do anything with such a god.