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Well, I think perhaps nominal Catholics. Maybe those baptised.
I was a temoin (witness ) at a wedding of friends in Paris. Weddings are conducted by mayors in France and quite often, as in my friends' case, they are followed by a Catholic service. It is simply a tradition. Neither of my friends were or are Catholic, nor any of their guests as far as I know.
Maybe they are included in the 50% because they were once participants in the ceremony.
Well, I think perhaps nominal Catholics. Maybe those baptised.
I was a temoin (witness ) at a wedding of friends in Paris. Weddings are conducted by mayors in France and quite often, as in my friends' case, they are followed by a Catholic service. It is simply a tradition. Neither of my friends were or are Catholic, nor any of their guests as far as I know.
Maybe they are included in the 50% because they were once participants in the ceremony.
Potentially, though I am not someone who made the survey who got the 50% number. You do not have to force religion on your friends, but tell them that Christianity made great strides in the fields of astronomy and medicine. Were your friends married in an old Gothic style church? I love 13th century architecture.
Potentially, though I am not someone who made the survey who got the 50% number. You do not have to force religion on your friends, but tell them that Christianity made great strides in the fields of astronomy and medicine. Were your friends married in an old Gothic style church? I love 13th century architecture.
The church was just a brick-built early C20 building. The officiating priest was Portuguese. The real marriage ( the official one) was in the town hall with the mayor in his tricoleur sash. The building was a C19 municipal building with beautiful frescoes, much grander than the church.
The church was just a brick-built early C20 building. The officiating priest was Portuguese. The real marriage ( the official one) was in the town hall with the mayor in his tricoleur sash. The building was a C19 municipal building with beautiful frescoes, much grander than the church.
19th and early 20th century buildings are pretty, though 20th century building architecture took a nosedive in the 1970s. It is cool how the municipal structures in Europe look so nice compared to ones from North America. Ours are concrete slabs, with maybe some fake Roman/Greek pillars. So, the priest was from Portugal? Was he good with speaking French?
19th and early 20th century buildings are pretty, though 20th century building architecture took a nosedive in the 1970s. It is cool how the municipal structures in Europe look so nice compared to ones from North America. Ours are concrete slabs, with maybe some fake Roman/Greek pillars. So, the priest was from Portugal? Was he good with speaking French?
That is good, the priest sounds like a good guy to go to church and see him preach. Goes to show that not all priests, and Christians bite. Only some Christians bite, as such those who may not have the fruit of the Spirit yet, or are deeply entrenched in worldly affairs, or are struggling with internal battles.
A lot of Christians really, really want to be offended. I mean, if Christianity isn't an excuse for being angry at someone else, what's the point? The fact that the artist behind the presentation says that it wan't inspired by "The Last Supper", and the fact that there's a relevant artistic tradition around Dionysus (see
A lot of Christians really, really want to be offended. I mean, if Christianity isn't an excuse for being angry at someone else, what's the point? The fact that the artist behind the presentation says that it wan't inspired by "The Last Supper", and the fact that there's a relevant artistic tradition around Dionysus (see
I see your point, but in case a future government in 20 years bans any discussions about this, I censored the words.
What are your thoughts on the opening ceremony? Also, to get a Christian European perspective, what are your thoughts on the Olympics @Friedrich Rubinstein ? Has the Olympics in 2024 gone too woke?
I would think believers should have nothing to do with the games at all any more. They should be anathema. The lion has come out of the thicket and all that remains is for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to take us away with Him and deal with it big time.
A lot of Christians really, really want to be offended. I mean, if Christianity isn't an excuse for being angry at someone else, what's the point? The fact that the artist behind the presentation says that it wan't inspired by "The Last Supper", and the fact that there's a relevant artistic tradition around Dionysus (see
Ooh, Dan McClellan is Christian, so I trust him somewhat, however, he is a Mormon. But yes, this was mainly focused on a Greek god, not as much the Last Supper, though the ceremony was still in bad taste. It looked way to similar to the last supper, and had a lot of motifs that could be interpreted in both ways. It would make more sense to have a tamer opening ceremony, such as the ones that happened a decade ago.
I would think believers should have nothing to do with the games at all any more. They should be anathema. The lion has come out of the thicket and all that remains is for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to take us away with Him and deal with it big time.
Agreed. Christians can watch the older games on YouTube archives. Society is playing with fire, with entertainment that can be interpreted in multiple ways (as either the Last Supper, or Dionysus), to deceive Christians.
Agreed. Christians can watch the older games on YouTube archives. Society is playing with fire, with entertainment that can be interpreted in multiple ways (as either the Last Supper, or Dionysus), to deceive Christians.
But yes, this was mainly focused on a Greek god, not as much the Last Supper, though the ceremony was still in bad taste. It looked way to similar to the last supper, and had a lot of motifs that could be interpreted in both ways. It would make more sense to have a tamer opening ceremony, such as the ones that happened a decade ago.
Maybe. But even if the ceremony were specifically designed to offend Christians, I think that would be a great opportunity for Christians to demonstrate the virtues that Christianity is supposed to be all about, including love and forgiveness of enemies.
I did, and it says a lot of Christians want to be offended by everything. Well, children might watch the Olympics, and could have seen a half naked guy on TV and want to recreate it at home. We should ask @Ana the Ist what he thinks about this stuff, as he is atheist.
Hello folks. You know me already. I am a pro-environment, pro-life centrist who is tired of the stuff from the far-left and far-right, tired of my favorite TV franchises getting ruined with LGTV propaganda, and who wants to protect others from harm. My favorite pro-environment Catholic politician, Peter Sonski, would probably not approve of this nonsense. When I was a young teen in the early-mid 2010s, none of this garbage was on television on the scale that it is now. Glad I skipped the Olympics this year. Take me back to 2016, bro. Whew, rant over. As a bi Christian guy, this reinforces my stance that I'd rather be with a woman, or remain celibate for the rest of my life.
Quote from Reuters: "[The scene] recreated the famous biblical scene of Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles sharing a last meal before crucifixion, but with a group of dr*g queens, a tr*nsgender model and a n*ked singer made up as the Greek god of wine Dionysus."
Quote from Catholic News Agency: "One of the best known prelates of the Catholic Church in the United States, Bishop Robert Barron of Minnesota, called on Catholics to 'make their voices heard' in response to what he called 'the gross mockery of the Last Supper.' In a post on X, Barron said the blasphemous act was emblematic of a 'deeply secularist postmodern society' that identifies Christianity as its enemy. Meanwhile, in reparation for the blasphemy, Bishop Donald Hying of Madison, Wisconsin, immediately called on all Catholics to 'fast and pray, renew our devotion to the Eucharist, the Sacred Heart and the Virgin Mary.'"
Quote from NYP: "Controversial Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker slammed the apparent 2024 Paris Olympics’ drag queen recreation of the 'Last Supper' as “crazy” — as French religious officials denounced the performance as a 'mockery' of Christianity."
Quote from NBC: "For many minority French communities who feel alienated over tensions arising from divisive politics and scars from the anti-gay marriage protests a decade ago, drag is a statement of defiance."
Sources below Centrist Secular Perspective - The Last Supper Parody by the Olympic Opening Ceremony:
Inclusivity took center stage at the Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony as the lights beamed, flags of Olympic teams were carried over the Seine River and drag queens captivated the world.
I (usually but not always) trust his scholarship because it accurately reflects the evidence.
Maybe. But even if the ceremony were specifically designed to offend Christians, I think that would be a great opportunity for Christians to demonstrate the virtues that Christianity is supposed to be all about, including love and forgiveness of enemies.
True, Christians must forgive enemies, however, Christians should have the same right to get onto global television as well, and reach 2 billion people on screens around the world during a popular event such as the Olympics. Once Christians are respected, we will not be as quick to judge secular events.
A lot of Christians really, really want to be offended. I mean, if Christianity isn't an excuse for being angry at someone else, what's the point? The fact that the artist behind the presentation says that it wan't inspired by "The Last Supper", and the fact that there's a relevant artistic tradition around Dionysus (see
Where did the artist behind the presentation say it wasn't inspired by The Last Supper? (note when I say The Last Supper in this post I refer to the painting) That isn't mentioned in the video you posted, so I assume you're getting it from somewhere else. I've seen quotes from the director (Thomas Jolly) saying it wasn't intended to be subversive, mock, or shock, but no explicit statement it had nothing to do with The Last Supper. For example:
Some church leaders and politicians have condemned the performance from the opening ceremony for mocking Christianity. Art historians are divided.
www.nytimes.com
The opening ceremony’s artistic director, Thomas Jolly, said at the Games’ daily news conference on Saturday that the event was not meant to “be subversive, or shock people, or mock people.” Speaking broadly about the ceremony, he said, “The idea was to send a message of love and of inclusion.” On Sunday, Anne Descamps, the Paris 2024 spokeswoman, said at the daily news conference, “If people have taken any offense, we are, of course, really, really sorry.”
The quote everyone gets from Thomas Jolly is that it wasn't meant to "be subversive, or shock people, or mock people." No denial is made about it being The Last Supper. Now, it is possible maybe he made a more explicit reference in the video (I have no idea where the statement is in that 1-hour video), but I'd assume if he explicitly said The Last Supper wasn't in mind, that would be the quote people were using from that, not the more vague statement it wasn't meant to be subversive, shock, or mock. Maybe the quote is vague because the question was more vague (again, I don't know exactly what the question he answered was, because I don't know where in the video this statement was), but so far I haven't seen him give any clear denial or affirmation that The Last Supper was in mind, just a statement that it wasn't trying to shock or mock people.
I do have some doubts that there was any such intention; a key thing about The Last Supper is that there were 13 people in that painting, which is what all the other recreations/parodies of I've seen have included. There were a lot more people in this one. Still, I haven't seen any explicit statement by the artist/director about it being or not being inspired by The Last Supper. Or is there one that I missed?
Hello folks. You know me already. I am a pro-environment, pro-life centrist who is tired of the stuff from the far-left and far-right, tired of my favorite TV franchises getting ruined with LGTV propaganda, and who wants to protect others from harm. My favorite pro-environment Catholic politician, Peter Sonski, would probably not approve of this nonsense. When I was a young teen in the early-mid 2010s, none of this garbage was on television on the scale that it is now. Glad I skipped the Olympics this year. Take me back to 2016, bro. Whew, rant over. As a bi Christian guy, this reinforces my stance that I'd rather be with a woman, or remain celibate for the rest of my life.
In order to keep this post relevant to both sides, I will present a leftist, centerist, conservative, and Christian perspective, to appease all sides.
Quote from Reuters: "[The scene] recreated the famous biblical scene of Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles sharing a last meal before crucifixion, but with a group of dr*g queens, a tr*nsgender model and a n*ked singer made up as the Greek god of wine Dionysus."
Quote from Catholic News Agency: "One of the best known prelates of the Catholic Church in the United States, Bishop Robert Barron of Minnesota, called on Catholics to 'make their voices heard' in response to what he called 'the gross mockery of the Last Supper.' In a post on X, Barron said the blasphemous act was emblematic of a 'deeply secularist postmodern society' that identifies Christianity as its enemy. Meanwhile, in reparation for the blasphemy, Bishop Donald Hying of Madison, Wisconsin, immediately called on all Catholics to 'fast and pray, renew our devotion to the Eucharist, the Sacred Heart and the Virgin Mary.'"
Quote from NYP: "Controversial Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker slammed the apparent 2024 Paris Olympics’ drag queen recreation of the 'Last Supper' as “crazy” — as French religious officials denounced the performance as a 'mockery' of Christianity."
Quote from NBC: "For many minority French communities who feel alienated over tensions arising from divisive politics and scars from the anti-gay marriage protests a decade ago, drag is a statement of defiance."
Sources below Centrist Secular Perspective - The Last Supper Parody by the Olympic Opening Ceremony:
Inclusivity took center stage at the Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony as the lights beamed, flags of Olympic teams were carried over the Seine River and drag queens captivated the world.
As for the first....I'll admit there's an odd rejection of what I'd personally call good art....whether it be a stately Confederate statue.
Or Van Gogh's Sunflowers.
So...while I detest people who destroy what I would consider "good art" (aesthetically at least) and wouldn't mind them being thrown in jail....there's no accounting for taste.
As for the topic at hand....was I offended? No. I'm not Christian. I think The Last Supper is good art...and this was pretty much cheap and forgettable trash. It's not even that daring.
You know what would have been impressive? If they all dressed up as the prophet Muhammad and whipped some jews before forming a giant gay sex pile.
That would have been memorable. They are cowards though....and would undoubtedly lose some of their lives....but that would have been new at least. Christians are a "soft target" because ultimately, they'll forgive....so they're a rather safe option. Booooooo.
So...while I detest people who destroy what I would consider "good art" (aesthetically at least) and wouldn't mind them being thrown in jail....there's no accounting for taste.
As for the topic at hand....was I offended? No. I'm not Christian. I think The Last Supper is good art...and this was pretty much cheap and forgettable trash. It's not even that daring.
You know what would have been impressive? If they all dressed up as the prophet Muhammad and whipped some jews before forming a giant gay sex pile.
That would have been memorable. They are cowards though....and would undoubtedly lose some of their lives....but that would have been new at least. Christians are a "soft target" because ultimately, they'll forgive....so they're a rather safe option. Booooooo.
Hey, at least we both think that the opening ceremony was cheap and trash. Also, I have heard of folks spilling soup on art. That should be a crime. So, do you think that the ceremony was woke trash? Some art belongs in private museums, and televising this art is a little much in my opinion. But yes, Christians typically forgive, though some of us Christians may hold grudges for a long time.
True, Christians must forgive enemies, however, Christians should have the same right to get onto global television as well, and reach 2 billion people on screens around the world during a popular event such as the Olympics. Once Christians are respected, we will not be as quick to judge secular events.
