2024 Paris Olympics: A Demonic Introduction to the Games

[AlexB23]

Hello folks. You know me already. I am a pro-environment, pro-life centrist who is tired of the stuff from the far-left and far-right, tired of my favorite TV franchises getting ruined with LGTV propaganda, and who wants to protect others from harm. My favorite pro-environment Catholic politician, Peter Sonski, would probably not approve of this nonsense. When I was a young teen in the early-mid 2010s, none of this garbage was on television on the scale that it is now. Glad I skipped the Olympics this year. Take me back to 2016, bro. Whew, rant over. As a bi Christian guy, this reinforces my stance that I'd rather be with a woman, or remain celibate for the rest of my life.

In order to keep this post relevant to both sides, I will present a leftist, centerist, conservative, and Christian perspective, to appease all sides.

The Scene is below

Spoiler: The Scene (ages 16+)

Quote from Reuters: "[The scene] recreated the famous biblical scene of Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles sharing a last meal before crucifixion, but with a group of dr*g queens, a tr*nsgender model and a n*ked singer made up as the Greek god of wine Dionysus."

Quote from Catholic News Agency: "One of the best known prelates of the Catholic Church in the United States, Bishop Robert Barron of Minnesota, called on Catholics to 'make their voices heard' in response to what he called 'the gross mockery of the Last Supper.' In a post on X, Barron said the blasphemous act was emblematic of a 'deeply secularist postmodern society' that identifies Christianity as its enemy. Meanwhile, in reparation for the blasphemy, Bishop Donald Hying of Madison, Wisconsin, immediately called on all Catholics to 'fast and pray, renew our devotion to the Eucharist, the Sacred Heart and the Virgin Mary.'"

Quote from NYP: "Controversial Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker slammed the apparent 2024 Paris Olympics’ drag queen recreation of the 'Last Supper' as “crazy” — as French religious officials denounced the performance as a 'mockery' of Christianity."

Quote from NBC: "For many minority French communities who feel alienated over tensions arising from divisive politics and scars from the anti-gay marriage protests a decade ago, drag is a statement of defiance."

Sources below
Centrist Secular Perspective - The Last Supper Parody by the Olympic Opening Ceremony:

https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/paris-ceremony-last-supper-parody-sparks-controversy-2024-07-27/

Christian Perspective - Catholics Respond to Mockery of Last Supper at 2024 Olympics:

Catholics, others respond to mockery of Last Supper at Paris Olympics

A drag-queen-led parody of the Last Supper featured during Friday’s opening ceremonies of the 2024 Paris Olympics has sparked a wave of reactions.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Conservative Secular Perspective - French Churches Slam Opening Ceremony:

French church leaders, Chiefs’ Harrison Butker slam apparent drag ‘parody of Last Supper’ at 2024 Paris Olympics: ‘Mockery’

Controversial Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker slammed the Paris Olympics’ drag queen recreation of the Last Supper.

nypost.com

Leftist Secular Perspective - Dr*g Queen Dazzle at the Olympics:

Drag queens dazzle in display of inclusivity at 2024 Olympics Opening Ceremony

Inclusivity took center stage at the Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony as the lights beamed, flags of Olympic teams were carried over the Seine River and drag queens captivated the world.

www.nbcchicago.com

 

[Nithavela]

I see no reason to censor words like "transgender", "drag" or "naked".

 

[AlexB23]

I see no reason to censor words like "transgender", "drag" or "naked".

I see your point, but in case a future government in 20 years bans any discussions about this, I censored the words.

What are your thoughts on the opening ceremony? Also, to get a Christian European perspective, what are your thoughts on the Olympics @Friedrich Rubinstein ? Has the Olympics in 2024 gone too woke?

Also, here are the political leanings of each news agency in my OP, from AllSides: AllSides | Balanced news via media bias ratings for an unbiased news perspective

 

[Nithavela]

I see your point, but in case a future government in 20 years bans any discussions about this, I censored the words.

What are your thoughts on the opening ceremony? Also, to get a Christian European perspective, what are your thoughts on the Olympics @Friedrich Rubinstein ? Has the Olympics in 2024 gone too woke?

Also, here are the political leanings of each news agency in my OP, from AllSides: AllSides | Balanced news via media bias ratings for an unbiased news perspective
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My thought is that it's against forum rules to open a thread on a topic where a former thread has already been closed by moderation.

Paris Olympics swapped Jesus and his disciples with men in drag.

https://x.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1816938415822159951 It angers me but more than anything it makes me sad. I'm sad to see Jesus and the last supper mocked this way.

www.christianforums.com

 

[Malleeboy]

Firstly, I think it is a false dichotomy, between Last Supper and Dionysius feast. I think it is best understood as both, firstly the "last supper", which is clear by the central figure being framed front on, with a halo around their head. Any google search shows the layout looks much more like the last supper framing than any Dionysian feast. However it moves to a Dionysius feast showing the progressive movement symbolized by the actors, will subvert the last supper into a pagan feast, moving from Christian morality to revert to pagan excess.

Secondly, the headless Marie-Antionette, can be taken as a celebration of the terror. A hapless, and effectively powerless foreigner was horribly executed, and her children mistreated in a manner, which led to their deaths. Note that none of the family of Charles I, suffered any such fact in England. Even when the monarchy was restored, Richard Cromwell, former Lord Protector of England, ended his days living on his property as a gentleman farmer and his sister (one of Cromwell's daughters) was a significant figure in the English court through several monarchs.

 

[Apple Sky]

Why the attack on Christianity ?
I reckon we are getting closer to the end times & these Satanic cults are becoming desperate to drag our souls away from God.


This is a video about Paris Olympics Mocks Christianity With Demonic Opening Ceremony.

It all stinks

 

[AlexB23]

My thought is that it's against forum rules to open a thread on a topic where a former thread has already been closed by moderation.

Paris Olympics swapped Jesus and his disciples with men in drag.

https://x.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1816938415822159951 It angers me but more than anything it makes me sad. I'm sad to see Jesus and the last supper mocked this way.

www.christianforums.com

Wait, someone already made a post about this? Sorry about this, brother, I did not see the other post. Should I ask @FreeinChrist to close this one? I do feel like this one we are chatting on should be open, as the discussions in this one are tame at the moment. Also, I will stick to the principles of Matthew 7, and not judge anyone, though, maybe the title of my OP is a little harsh.

Though, the OP in that other one failed to use any news sources. The OP used a post from X (Twitter), and Twitter is not considered a news article, as SOP states that "articles are required".

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

I see your point, but in case a future government in 20 years bans any discussions about this, I censored the words.

What are your thoughts on the opening ceremony? Also, to get a Christian European perspective, what are your thoughts on the Olympics @Friedrich Rubinstein ? Has the Olympics in 2024 gone too woke?

Also, here are the political leanings of each news agency in my OP, from AllSides: AllSides | Balanced news via media bias ratings for an unbiased news perspective

I admit I haven't watched or followed anything from the Olympics, this picture is all I've seen - and well, afterwards I had even less interest in it

To me it seems though that whoever is responsible for the Opening Ceremony targeted conservative values at large, not just Christianity in particular (although the Christian faith is of course a huge part of conservative values). Otherwise it makes no sense to me why there would be drag queens and a "transgender" person in the introduction to an Olympics in which virtually all transgender athletes are banned (to my knowledge only those who completed their "transition" before the age of 12 are allowed to participate).

So on one hand it was unexpected because it just doesn't fit to the event, but on the other hand it wasn't shocking to see that the (far) left has taken over this institution now like all the other institutions as well.

The (far) left has long become the hub of utter godlessness, and we know who is the father of those whose father isn't God. We all fight spiritual battles on a daily basis, but there is also a larger spiritual war going on between the Godly and the ungodly powers. We know who will win in the end, and so does Satan. But he wants to inflict as great a damage as he can, and drag as many down with him as possible. I reckon it will only get worse and worse with the godlessness on the (far) left, since the devil knows he doesn't have much time left. We as Christians need to guard ourselves though, especially against the gaslighting and the guilt-tripping. Far too many Christians have softened their stance toward sin because they were called bigots for their beliefs. Now we have Churches and synods who are excusing sin or even give their blessing to it. That is extremely dangerous, and especially now where the (far) left is running rampant we need to get back to the Biblical understanding of what is sin and what isn't, and not falter when we're called "intolerant".

As far as I can tell the Evangelical Church - unlike the Catholic Church - hasn't officially criticized the Olympia Introduction yet. I really hope they will. Now it is more important than ever to stand for true Christian beliefs in the face of the world.

 

[AlexB23]

I admit I haven't watched or followed anything from the Olympics, this picture is all I've seen - and well, afterwards I had even less interest in it

To me it seems though that whoever is responsible for the Opening Ceremony targeted conservative values at large, not just Christianity in particular (although the Christian faith is of course a huge part of conservative values). Otherwise it makes no sense to me why there would be drag queens and a "transgender" person in the introduction to an Olympics in which virtually all transgender athletes are banned (to my knowledge only those who completed their "transition" before the age of 12 are allowed to participate).

So on one hand it was unexpected because it just doesn't fit to the event, but on the other hand it wasn't shocking to see that the (far) left has taken over this institution now like all the other institutions as well.

The (far) left has long become the hub of utter godlessness, and we know who is the father of those whose father isn't God. We all fight spiritual battles on a daily basis, but there is also a larger spiritual war going on between the Godly and the ungodly powers. We know who will win in the end, and so does Satan. But he wants to inflict as great a damage as he can, and drag as many down with him as possible. I reckon it will only get worse and worse with the godlessness on the (far) left, since the devil knows he doesn't have much time left. We as Christians need to guard ourselves though, especially against the gaslighting and the guilt-tripping. Far too many Christians have softened their stance toward sin because they were called bigots for their beliefs. Now we have Churches and synods who are excusing sin or even give their blessing to it. That is extremely dangerous, and especially now where the (far) left is running rampant we need to get back to the Biblical understanding of what is sin and what isn't, and not falter when we're called "intolerant".

As far as I can tell the Evangelical Church - unlike the Catholic Church - hasn't officially criticized the Olympia Introduction yet. I really hope they will. Now it is more important than ever to stand for true Christian beliefs in the face of the world.

Agreed 100%. The far left has been a place where God has been left out, pun intended. While the far right has big issues as well, such as the AfD in Germany or the MAGA movement in the US, both have been reactionary movements to the far left. Hence, that is why I am closer to the center, politically speaking, though, the far left would label me a conservative, and the far right would label me a leftist.

I myself will continue spreading Christian values, regardless of political scenarios. There are churches out there which promote homosexuality. Now, if one wants to be gay, keep that stuff in the bedroom, do not air it on TV. The trans stuff has got to end, as we should not be using the same castration chemicals on kids that are used on criminals.

In Germany, there are not many churches anymore compared to half a century ago? Is Germany becoming like France, where Christianity is getting lost?

 

[Whyayeman]

Agreed 100%. The far left has been a place where God has been left out, pun intended. While the far right has big issues as well, such as the AfD in Germany or the MAGA movement in the US, both have been reactionary movements to the far left. Hence, that is why I am closer to the center, politically speaking, though, the far left would label me a conservative, and the far right would label me a leftist.

I myself will continue spreading Christian values, regardless of political scenarios. There are churches out there which promote homosexuality. Now, if one wants to be gay, keep that stuff in the bedroom, do not air it on TV. The trans stuff has got to end, as we should not be using the same castration chemicals on kids that are used on criminals.

In Germany, there are not many churches anymore compared to half a century ago? Is Germany becoming like France, where Christianity is getting lost?

I think it is worth pointing out that France is not a Christian country. I think it is fairer to say that the French largely tolerate Christianity.

There is no religious observance allowed in state schools but religious institutions are able to open their own privately funded schools. I doubt if many French people were offended by what has been described here as 'demonic'.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

Agreed 100%. The far left has been a place where God has been left out, pun intended. While the far right has big issues as well, such as the AfD in Germany or the MAGA movement in the US, both have been reactionary movements to the far left. Hence, that is why I am closer to the center, politically speaking, though, the far left would label me a conservative, and the far right would label me a leftist.

I myself will continue spreading Christian values, regardless of political scenarios. There are churches out there which promote homosexuality. Now, if one wants to be gay, keep that stuff in the bedroom, do not air it on TV. The trans stuff has got to end, as we should not be using the same castration chemicals on kids that are used on criminals.

In Germany, there are not many churches anymore compared to half a century ago? Is Germany becoming like France, where Christianity is getting lost?

Germany is certainly becoming more secular, yes. In 1950 around 96% of the population were Church members, today it is close to 50%. It is not as bad as in France though (yet), where displaying religious symbols in public isn't allowed. Germany is still very much "culturally Christian", with virtually all shops and supermarkets closed on Sundays, and the radio still transmitting the church bells on New Year's Eve.

Granted though, the fact that 17% of our population are 1st-generation immigrants doesn't strengthen our culture or the adherence to Christianity.

 

[comana]

My opinion is that Christians are choosing to be offended by this specific parody of the Last Supper painting. Parodies of this particular artwork have been a part of pop culture for a long time.

 

[AlexB23]

I think it is worth pointing out that France is not a Christian country. I think it is fairer to say that the French largely tolerate Christianity.

There is no religious observance allowed in state schools but religious institutions are able to open their own privately funded schools. I doubt if many French people were offended by what has been described here as 'demonic'.

Well, we should ask any French folks on this forum what their views on this matter is. But yes, France is a secular country with freedom of religion, so I see your point.

 

[Whyayeman]

Well, we should ask any French folks on this forum what their views on this matter is. But yes, France is a secular country with freedom of religion, so I see your point.

You are right, France is a secular country, but that is not quite the true picture. There is a strong anti-clerical tradition stemming from its history.

Wikipedia gives us this:

The major religions practiced in France include Christianity (about 50% of the overall population, with denominations including Catholicism, various branches of Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Armenian Orthodoxy), Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sikhism among others, making it a multiconfessional country. About 40% of the population is non-religious. Sunday Mass attendance has fallen to 5% for Catholics, and the overall level of religious observance is generally lower than in the past.​

 

[Tinker Grey]

People really need to stop calling things they disagree with demonic.

 

[AlexB23]

Germany is certainly becoming more secular, yes. In 1950 around 96% of the population were Church members, today it is close to 50%. It is not as bad as in France though (yet), where displaying religious symbols in public isn't allowed. Germany is still very much "culturally Christian", with virtually all shops and supermarkets closed on Sundays, and the radio still transmitting the church bells on New Year's Eve.

Granted though, the fact that 17% of our population are 1st-generation immigrants doesn't strengthen our culture or the adherence to Christianity.

Wow, 96% to 50% church members in only 70+ years. It is good that Germany still has a cultural element of Christianity, but yeah, 17% immigrant population would not help that, unless the immigrants were Christian. However, there are Arab Christians, though their numbers are low.

I made a post about how one Syrian Christian moved to the US:

Syrian Christian Author & Photographer Writes about Leaving Syria (2013 - Old News)

Hello folks. It has been almost a decade since hearing Syria on the news headlines, however, this article from 2013 shows that there are Christians in Syria who had to flee due to persecution, or to find more lucrative jobs. This article discusses a Syrian man who learned about Christianity from...

www.christianforums.com

 

[AlexB23]

People really need to stop calling things they disagree with demonic.

I agree. Yeah, I have labeled Trump, Elon Musk, unbridled abortion, the far-left, the far-right, the 2024 Olympic opening ceremony, modern Halloween, Doctor Who's flop of a 2024 season and other things demonic before. Maybe, I could have used softer words, such as "uncalled for" or "unprecedented".

One might say, my centrist views are on a little bit of the stronger side, and I am working on toning this stuff down, and I pray to be less judgemental. The world is changing in a way that has not happened in my short 24 year lifetime though, and I am not liking what is going on. We need some more middle ground politics in 2024, and tamer entertainment like we did a few decades ago.

 

[AlexB23]

You are right, France is a secular country, but that is not quite the true picture. There is a strong anti-clerical tradition stemming from its history.

Wikipedia gives us this:

The major religions practiced in France include Christianity (about 50% of the overall population, with denominations including Catholicism, various branches of Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Armenian Orthodoxy), Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sikhism among others, making it a multiconfessional country. About 40% of the population is non-religious. Sunday Mass attendance has fallen to 5% for Catholics, and the overall level of religious observance is generally lower than in the past.​

It is actually cool how France is diverse, though it is sad how the mass attendance has dropped to only 5%. History can impact the present, so it is understandable to see why there is push back on the church, but one must not hold centuries-long grudges.

 

[Whyayeman]

It is actually cool how France is diverse, though it is sad how the mass attendance has dropped to only 5%. History can impact the present, so it is understandable to see why there is push back on the church, but one must not hold centuries-long grudges.

I don't think it is sad at all. The French are not sad about it. I have spent a good bit of time in France and have French friends. I think Catholicism has become something of an irrelevance to them.

Church buildings are often neglected with their little congregations struggling to keep them maintained. Even their great cathedrals suffer in this way. I don't quite see how the 50% Christian figure was calculated. It might be the figure the Catholic Church puts out - a wildly optimistic figure in my view.

 

[AlexB23]

I don't think it is sad at all. The French are not sad about it. I have spent a good bit of time in France and have French friends. I think Catholicism has become something of an irrelevance to them.

Church buildings are often neglected with their little congregations struggling to keep them maintained. Even their great cathedrals suffer in this way. I don't quite see how the 50% Christian figure was calculated. It might be the figure the Catholic Church puts out - a wildly optimistic figure in my view.

I do like France, and it is a beautiful country, though. Also, one of my favorite scientists is from France. Louis Pasteur, the French man who we can thank for making beverages safer whenever we buy milk and juice at the grocery store, was also a Christian. Pasteur had a Catholic background with humanitarian beliefs to serve the greater good, though he was not deep into his faith. Maybe, the 50% could mean folks are Catholic, but no longer practice the faith? I know a few Catholics in the US who do not go to church anymore, or only for Easter and Christmas.

The architecture and natural landscape captivated me when I went to France in the 2000s.

Louis Pasteur Info:

Louis Pasteur - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org