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[JesusWalks78]

Do you think you should feel guilt if it would be your leather couch and your Plasma TV?

No I shouldnt feel guilt, I dont own any.

I grew up with very simplistic lifestyle, subsistance really we planted what we ate etc...I dont need alot, but my Grandfather (RIP) has always told me an old Fijian saying "A mans worth is judged by the strength of his arm, the middle of his woman and the honour of his sons" I carry this with me.

 

[KCDAD]

God does not reward you with wealth or material items... no matter what you do or don't do. God doesn't care at all about those things.

 

[JesusWalks78]

God does not reward you with wealth or material items... no matter what you do or don't do. God doesn't care at all about those things.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the story of Job.

 

[quatona]

No I shouldnt feel guilt, I dont own any.

Apparently my question was misunderstandable. You keep pointing out the fact that you don´t own all the things you enjoy. This fact seems to be of quite some importance to you for the question you have asked. And you said you don´t see why you should feel guilt for enjoying this stuff you don´t own. So I was asking: "If the leather couch and the PlasmaTV you are enjoying would be yours, would you think you should feel guilty?
I am trying to find out which relevance for the question you have asked you yourself actually give to the fact that this stuff is technically not yours.

"A mans worth is judged by the strength of his arm, the middle of his woman and the honour of his sons"

I can´t find any particular wisdom in this saying. Just the opposite, actually. I´m afraid I don´t even understand it.

 

[Chajara]

Something that's sort of been bugging me ever since I first read this thread, and I apologize for the mild off-topicness:

I do not see it as legality, simply as trying to ensure that my eldest male child has enough to get by and have a good life.

Your little icons up there indicate that you have a daughter too.. what about her? You almost make it sound as if you're making no provision for her whatsoever. I'm probably misunderstanding this, but I'm just curious.

 

[Blackguard_]

I am not boasting, Just stating how it is.

The two are not incompatible.

I actually prefer it this way, we have had problems with other siblings (like the other male children or daughters contesting the will),

I see, but that's what lawyers are for. I think I see what you are trying to do, but still disagree with your pretending its not your stuff just becasue the paperwork is not in your name.

every thing belongs to the eldest male child.

"eldest male child", I notice you emphasise that alot. So.... what of anyother kids you might have?

o I do not own it,

Yes, yes you do. Not all of it, like the landrover you mentioned. But you own the house and teh couch and teh TV, you just put other people's names on the paperwork so you can pretend to own nothing. I can understand doing it to protect you son's inheritence, but not thinking you don't own the stuff.

I do enjoy it and to be honest I dont see why I shouldnt I worked hard, postponed getting married till I was secure

Nobody said you shouldn't.

so yes I sit on my wifes leather couch in my wifes house and watch my sons Plasma TV and I dont feel guilt at all about it.

No, you sit on your couch, in your house, and watch your plasma TV. You bought it, you have control over it, you just put your wife's or son's name on the invoice/paperwork.

And who said you should feel guilty about it?

Your little icons up there indicate that you have a daughter too.. what about her? You almost make it sound as if you're making no provision for her whatsoever. I'm probably misunderstanding this, but I'm just curious.

I noticed that too, all that "eldest male child" stuff. Most likely, that's for her future husband to worry about.

I'm more curious about any other male children he might have. My guess is primogenitur, and the other sons will get something, but not as much as the eldest. That how it ussually works at least, and that's especiallyhow it should be in this case with his "providing for my family" rhetoric.

Apparently my question was misunderstandable.

No, you were quite clear. I honestly think JesusWalks might be a gimmick.
look closely...

I have a pre nup that safe guards the property and assets that I hold for my eldest male child.

 

[JesusWalks78]

Something that's sort of been bugging me ever since I first read this thread, and I apologize for the mild off-topicness:



Your little icons up there indicate that you have a daughter too.. what about her? You almost make it sound as if you're making no provision for her whatsoever. I'm probably misunderstanding this, but I'm just curious.

I only have one son, I cant turn off the daughter icon.

 

[JesusWalks78]

The two are not incompatible.

I see, but that's what lawyers are for. I think I see what you are trying to do, but still disagree with your pretending its not your stuff just becasue the paperwork is not in your name.

Its not my stuff, not because of paperwork. Everything that i bought was for my family....I dont feel like any of it is mine.

"eldest male child", I notice you emphasise that alot. So.... what of anyother kids you might have?

It is like this, the eldest male child moves on to lead the clan, like my older will be the leader of our clan when my father passes, and everything will pass to him and he will distribute it as he sees fit.

Barring any major upheaval or dishonour my son now will inheret everything and distribute it as he sees fit.

Yes, yes you do. Not all of it, like the landrover you mentioned. But you own the house and teh couch and teh TV, you just put other people's names on the paperwork so you can pretend to own nothing. I can understand doing it to protect you son's inheritence, but not thinking you don't own the stuff.

I am merely an asset provider, I would be equally as happy in a tin lean to.....as I said I dont feel like anything is mine.

And who said you should feel guilty about it?

I am catholic, we are supposed to be guilty.

I noticed that too, all that "eldest male child" stuff. Most likely, that's for her future husband to worry about.

When daughters get married their clan changes to their husbands clan.

My wife is the eldest in her family and her father made provision, butthey are not as traditional as my family is.

I'm more curious about any other male children he might have. My guess is primogenitur, and the other sons will get something, but not as much as the eldest. That how it ussually works at least, and that's especiallyhow it should be in this case with his "providing for my family" rhetoric.

The assets will be divided as my eldest son sees fit. Like I said barring his briniging dishonour to the clan he will hold the power...if he dies or brings shame upon the clan themn it passes to the next son.

No, you were quite clear. I honestly think JesusWalks might be a gimmick.
look closely...

A gimmick....why and how?

 

[Chajara]

Oh, I see. Perhaps a mod can fix it for you or something if it bugs you. Again, sorry for the derail.

 

[JesusWalks78]

Oh, I see. Perhaps a mod can fix it for you or something if it bugs you. Again, sorry for the derail.

No problem, however to answer your question:

When daughters get married their clan changes to their husbands clan.

 

[Chajara]

What if they don't marry, though? Or what if they marry later than most? Do they just go to college and support themselves like we do here?

 

[JesusWalks78]

What if they don't marry, though? Or what if they marry later than most? Do they just go to college and support themselves like we do here?

If they dont marry they remain within their original clan. Most do go off and support themselves with the help of the clan.

 

[Chajara]

That makes sense, then.

As for your OP, I agree with what some other posters said. If you're not in a state of constantly obsessing over the next awesome thing you're going to buy, and in fact are donating to charity and whatnot, then I don't see a problem.

 

[JesusWalks78]

That makes sense, then.

As for your OP, I agree with what some other posters said. If you're not in a state of constantly obsessing over the next awesome thing you're going to buy, and in fact are donating to charity and whatnot, then I don't see a problem.

I do donate to charity, and I do not obsess over the purchases...if my family want it, I make sure they have it.