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20 episodes exposing fraud, illegalities & irregularities in 2020 election

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Hi @BobRyan

On the other hand "pay no attention to Hunter Biden's lap top" schemes in the 2020's seems to have completely flopped in 2022.

Look, I don't have any idea what has been found on this laptop in question. Did Hunter Biden ride on his father's coattails to get some of the promotions, jobs, income that he made? Probably. What son wouldn't take advantage of such benefit? And if you really are upset about a child riding on his father's power or success, then look no further than Don Jr. He is still following in his father's footsteps and makes no bones about it. Even Eric, the black sheep of the immediate Trump clan, owes his notoriety and success to following after his father's fame and fortune.

If you're going to point fingers, then you have to make sure that your side or agenda is clean as far as whatever issue it is that you're pointing fingers about. Children of successful, wealthy parents have often gotten a lot of their start in life by getting blessings from their parents. Even Don Sr. was blessed by his father to start out in his business life with some $400 million dollar gift or loan, depending on how one looks at it.

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Some will argue that this is done every single election... so no big deal.

Others will argue that all that illegality only gets you 12 or 15 bad votes (or some other insignificant number).

Still "how odd" is it that two competing candidates - one that gets whopping record-breaking turn out at his rallies and the other who gets only 10's of people to show up and is eventually told to sit out the rallies in his basement as the election process finishes its final two months... only to have the sleep-and-sit-this-one-out strategy get more votes than has ever happened in all of time even by the most charismatic of candidates.... Something fishy that one.

If one were making a movie they would get zero attendees to see such a movie scenario because everyone would say "that is not credible,,, you are not even trying to make it believable". The script writer / story writers, would be told "the election fraud is fine - people will agree it is at least possible... but you can't have the sleepy retiring one not even do rallies at all as they get to the last two months where all along they appear to have almost zero interest rallies. That looks rigged and nobody would buy it"

I guess if there was actual evidence of widespread voter fraud in favor of Biden we'd be reading it here instead of posts with vague baseless innuendo.
 
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Yeah it happen so much.. we seen have have the proof.
Yeah, Donald's team even met at a landscaping company to show that "proof" to the press. For some reason, though, they were very quiet about it in venues where there are actual penalties for lying, such as the scores of court cases where they failed to produce any evidence.
 
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Hi @BrotherJJ

Read your list and let's look at them one by one. I say that because in pretty much any list of 'things' that point to a problem, there are usually a lot of questionable issues, but because they make the list look longer, they are used.

1. Foreign Intrusions: Yes there is some evidence that other nations (Russia in particular) put out information that was misleading and disingenuous. However, as far as people filling out a ballot or tapping icons on a touch pad, that has no effect on the 'legality' of the vote. It may well have provided information that might have changed someone's mind as to 'who' they would vote for, but did not in any way violate or change the legality of the vote process.

2. Illegal ballot harvesting: There has been some talk about this, but as yet no real proof that anyone did. Have you found evidence of an individual who illegally, according to the laws in place at the time, ballot harvested? Many states have worked to change the laws concerning someone else collecting another person's ballot and turning it in, but let's do keep in mind that something is only illegal if there is a law that says it isn't legal to do so. We can't judge the 2020 election on new laws that may have been enacted in 2021. Or, on one's gut feeling that is shouldn't be allowed.

3. Ballot harvesting probe Georgia: This is merely a repetition of #2 and so it is disqualified as some new individual reason that the 2020 election was fraudulent. We're now down to only 19.

4. Bad voter signatures Arizona: That's also a claim for which there isn't any proof that such a case was evident in any large number. There were a few that were checked out and, as far as I'm aware, were all supported by actual voter testimony and proper verification techniques, that once again, were how signatures were verified under the laws in place at that time.

5. Foreign voters found on rolls: You'll have to provide me with any information that you have on this issue. Further, foreign voters found on voting ROLLS does not constitute a voting issue unless they have matching votes to those foreign voters. People move all the time. I've moved dozens of times in my lifetime and I've never made a point to contact the elections department of a move. A couple of years ago I got a verification letter from the Miami-Dade county elections department asking to verify my local address in south Miami-Dade county. I had moved out of there over 10 years previously. But I didn't vote in any Miami-Dade elections. So, just because my name was on their rolls doesn't mean that their elections were skewed or somehow bad.

6. Unconstitutional mail-in voting: There is nothing unconstitutional about mail-in voting. The constitution doesn't even address the issue. Many, many millions of people have used mail-in voting over the last couple of decades. Most famously, of course, was Donald Trump who now says that it should be illegal. Maybe it will be made illegal one day, but again, we have to judge the 2020 election on the laws and rules in place in 2020. Mail-in voting, defined as someone who votes by using the U.S. postal service to deliver a ballot, had a very, very long history in our nation. By 1938, 42 states allowed for ballots to be delivered to the elections office without the actual person having to vote at an official polling place. Trust me, if this were unconstitutional, it would have been brought up a long, long time ago.

7. Noncitizen voters: As far as our national elections, there has never been any real effort by non-citizens to vote or being allowed to vote. Naturally there are one or two cases that may have slipped through, but it has never been a problem and still isn't.

5. Illegal ballot drop boxes: Again, as far as I'm aware, they were not illegal according to the laws and instructions of the various state's election commission directives, at that time. Many states did put out more ballot drop boxes than normal due to the covid crisis, but it is my understanding that they were approved by the election authorities of the particular jurisdictions.

6. Ballot chain of custody issues: Again, on this one, you'll have to provide me with what evidence you have that there were any chain of custody issues. As far as I know, any chain of custody claims have come from the issue you bring up in #2. Someone gave their ballot to a friend to drop off for them at a ballot box.

7. Fulton County irregularities: There were none of any significance. This is just a red herring argument.

8. Errant vote counting: I'm honestly not even sure what that's referring to. There have always been and likely will always be, some errors in vote counts. But none of them have ever been over a couple of hundred votes. Just like the recounts done in the 2020 election, closer and much slower recounting showed that in some cases Pres. Biden got even more votes than he was given credit for. Pres. Trump got less than he was given credit for in some cases.

9. Dirty voter rolls: This, again, is a repeated claim on your list. It is the same issue as #5. So now we're down to 18.

10. Illegal exemptions from voter ID: That's another one that you'll have to provide me some explanation as to what it refers to and how it actually affected the 2020 vote count.

11. Uneven enforcement of election laws: Since voter laws are state's rights, there are bound to always be some 'uneven' enforcement, or at least 'uneven' judicial rules between states. Again, I haven't heard of this claim and so I'll depend on you to provide me the evidence as to how this issue affected the 2020 vote.

12. Illegal harvesting Voter fraud in Michigan: This is also a repeated issue on your list. You covered illegal harvesting on point #2. So now we're down to 17.

13. Nursing home fraud in Wisconsin: The duly authorized elections department made the decision and authorized rules change that they would not send overseers into nursing homes mainly because the nursing homes themselves, at the time, would not allow them in. Remember, this is when Covid was running pretty rampant. So, they ruled that nursing home staff could help the residents fill out their ballots. So far, no one has shown any evidence that some staff member did, in fact, overwrite or somehow bring to bear coercive methods to direct a patient's vote.

So look, you're certainly free to complain as you see fit and to view the data as you see fit. But as far as there being any 'illegal' voting activity in the 2020 election, even Pres. Trump's cyber expert claimed that the 2020 election was as secure as any election has ever been.

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Ted
You have the patience of a saint ...
 
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I've heard Trump supporters argue that there is nothing wrong with questioning an election. But that is not really an issue. Trump was not actually questioning the outcome of the election. He was claiming definitively that he won in a landslide, and that it was stolen from him and all who voted for him. And he is recklessly claiming that the Democrats stole it. He is therefore outright lying because he claims definitively that he won and it was stolen, and we know this is a lie because he contradicts his own self when he clearly indicates he has yet to find the evidence of a landslide victory.

We can see this by just listening to the recorded phone calls between Trump and the Georgia Secretary of State where Trump tries to convince the Secretary of state that there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes and yet asks him to find enough to reverse the election results. These are some excerpts that prove he never had any proof of Democrats stealing the election. Trump: We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

Trump: But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn't been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that's going to happen.


Trump: But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779, and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean, by a lot, and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s turmoil.

Trump: So that’s it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state, and we won it very substantially and easily, and we’re getting, we have, much of this is a very certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re getting additional numbers certified, too.


Trump: Because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million. You know, one of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and they’re saying it’s impossible for you to have lost Georgia. We won. You know in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say it’s not possible to have lost Georgia.

Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong.

Trump: I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that we’re going to release. It’s devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we’re talking about. It’s, you know, that one event was a disaster. And it’s just, you know, but it was, it was something, it can’t be disputed. And again, we have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s magnified. It’s magnified, and you can see everything. For some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot, and I don’t know why. I don’t know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.

Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The next day, we brought in WSB-TV, and we let them show, see the full run of tape, and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by, you know —

Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there.

It was late in the evening, late in the, early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the poll watchers, and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which was reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But we’re, if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers, even where were the Democrat pollwatchers, because there were none.

And then you say, well, they left their station, you know, if you look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people, when they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station.

When they came back, they didn’t go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those. They went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station, and they would have continued to work. But they couldn’t do even that because that’s illegal, because they had no Republican pollwatchers. And remember, her reputation is — she’s known all over the Internet, Brad. She’s known all over.

I’m telling you, “Where’s [name] ” was one of the hot items . . . [name] They knew her. “Where’s [name]?” So Brad, there can be no justification for that. And I, you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put ’em in three times.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

Trump:

...I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I’m just going by small numbers, when you add them up, they’re many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes.

Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery.

Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal, right?

Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?

Germany: No.

Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?

Germany: I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.

Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: The only investigation that we have into that — they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.

Trump: It doesn’t pass the smell test because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots, and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re just cleaning up the office.” You know.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not; it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side, you know. I don’t even know why you have a side because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.

Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

Trump: Oh, I don't know, look Brad. I got to get ... I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That's before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.

But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it's very dangerous for you to say that.

I just, I just don't know why you don't want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know ...the check... And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all you're doing is you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I don't know. still a lot of votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you'll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.

So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already.
That anyone would still support this man ... is mind-blowing ...
 
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On the other hand "pay no attention to Hunter Biden's lap top" schemes in the 2020's seems to have completely flopped in 2022.
The way some focus on the laptop, ... you would think that the nuclear codes are on it ...
 
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That doesn't mean that I 'enjoy' any of the things that are happening in the country that are tough issues to deal with.
It does make for more national calm ... when the leader of the nation is not a narcissist ...
 
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Hi @A_Thinker

It does make for more national calm ... when the leader of the nation is not a narcissist ...

Yeah, like when's the last time through all of this turmoil and financial struggles that many of our population are struggling with have you read that the President and his SS detail and all of his rich cronies were out on the golf course to the tune of several thousand dollars for a round of a game. Pres. Biden is out riding a bicycle. Costs practically nothing except for the SS detail that all presidents are going to have no matter what they're doing.

Even in that, Pres. Trump lied to us. He told us during his campaign that it was such a bad thing for Pres. Obama to be out playing golf and that he'd be so busy 'winning' for us that he wouldn't have time to play golf. He then started out from day one playing more golf than any other president...ever!!! Then threw up his hand after only a month or two of trying to repeal the ACA. Wondering "who knew that health insurance could be so tough!" Well, I can tell you, about 600 legislators and presidential administration knew that health insurance was a tough issue. But of course, he was never one to listen to anyone's voice but his own. And then he just gave up. Winning??????

As far as I'm concerned, there are issues that presidents are going to face that are difficult issues that may be painful for the nation. But to be handled with quiet calm and steady leadership that doesn't boast and doesn't self-aggrandize, to me, is a real blessing for our nation. Despite the previous post that commented on how the U.S. is somehow bringing up the rear in international matters, I see that there are a lot of international issues that we are well out in front of.

God bless,
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That anyone would still support this man ... is mind-blowing ...
Propaganda and sophistry is the art of tricking the mind into accepting a premise to reason upon, which can then be used to build a myriad structure of lies that appear to be reasonable. But basically every lie in a moral/immoral context will undermine the two great commandments of love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself. Which is why any reasoning based on falsehood always ends in a contradiction.

The Spirit of darkness works through deception and when people swallow/believe a lie, the heart is darkened. In scripture Paul used to be Saul, and Saul was convinced he was serving God even though he was persecuting those who followed after the Christ. Presently in America and elsewhere in the world, these same spiritual powers of darkness are working to turn brother against brother in the name of God.
 
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Well done for nailing these allegations of election irregularities! The allegations have been made repeatedly for nearly 16 months - ever since Trump lost. Many people have asked for evidence to back them up. Millions of dollars have been spent to try and dredge up justification for the allegations.

The result? There is not a scrap of legally valid evidence - that is evidence fit to be put before a court - to support the allegations. The conclusion I come to is that Trump and his coterie just cannot stand the thought that Trump lost.
 
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Wow! Give the OP a Nobel Prize in physics. He posted an April fools joke a week ago. He has invented time travel.

Seriously, do you have a favorite piece of evidence? If not the rule of refuting Gish Gallops applies. I can choose which claim to refute and then all of them are refuted since you do not appear to have defended any of them.
 
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Is there any hard evidence it actually exists?

The FBI seized 'a' laptop from the repair shop.

I guess we do have the serial number.

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Wow! Give the OP a Nobel Prize in physics. He posted an April fools joke a week ago. He has invented time travel.

Seriously, do you have a favorite piece of evidence? If not the rule of refuting Gish Gallops applies. I can choose which claim to refute and then all of them are refuted since you do not appear to have defended any of them.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean part, any or all isnt true.

You can chose any you want, all that shows is "that one" is bogus.

If the world revolved around your logic, evolution would have been refuted because there were some things shown wrong..as you said "refute one then they all are refuted".
 
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Just because you don't agree doesn't mean part, any or all isnt true.

You can chose any you want, all that shows is "that one" is bogus.

If the world revolved around your logic, evolution would have been refuted because there were some things shown wrong..as you said "refute one then they all are refuted".
Nope. That is not the way that it works. The OP was the one that chose to present an apparently bogus source without any support at all. That may be actually against the TOS of the forum. It definitely is when one uses a video that way. Until he supports all of them refuting one of them refutes all of them.

Or perhaps you would like to try to support them for him?
 
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Foreign Intrusions,
Alleged Bribery,
Illegal ballot harvesting,
Ballot harvesting probe Georgia,
Bad voter signatures Arizona,
Illegal ballot drop boxes,
Foreign voters found on rolls,
Unconstitutional mail-in voting,
Noncitizen voters,
Ballot chain of custody issues,
Fulton County irregularities,
Errant vote counting,
Dirty voter rolls,
Illegal exemptions from voter ID,
Uneven enforcement of election laws,
Illegal harvesting Voter fraud in Michigan,
Nursing home fraud in Wisconsin.

Ballot Bombshells: 20 episodes exposing fraud, illegalities and irregularities in 2020 election

Things that make ya go HMMM!

What prevents you from checking any of this stuff, to see if there is anything to it, or not?
 
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What prevents you from checking any of this stuff, to see if there is anything to it, or not?
I think that the OP knows that all of those claims are garbage. His post was a hit and run. I do wish that the staff would ban such threads. If a person is not willing to support what they post in an OP the entire thread should be quickly closed and a violation issued. If people were responsible for the threads that they start it would improve the forum.
 
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