2 Samuel 12:11-12

[alexiscurious]

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

What ever happened to you shall not commit adultery?

 

[dcalling]

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

What ever happened to you shall not commit adultery?

There are people around us that can do evil things. Our free will enabled us to act any good/evil things we want.

God already know one of David's son is bad and what he is capable of doing. So basically David's own actions might have inspired his bad son act out even more. God just let the whole thing acted out instead of interfering there.

God did not permit anyone to do adultery, people did that out of their own free will.

 

[aiki]

2 Samuel 12:11-12

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

What ever happened to you shall not commit adultery?

First of all, God was judging David's sin. He did this in a manner that gave David an experience of the pain and destruction that his sin caused others. As God declares in His Word, "whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap." (Ga. 6:7) But God did not force people to sin in order to judge David. Instead, He simply permitted the natural wickedness of those around David to have its head - incited, in no small part, by David's own evil example.

In light of the fact that God does not approve of adultery, we must read of God's judgement here in a somewhat figurative way. When God declares, "I will do this in broad daylight before all Israel" He is saying that David's humiliation at being cuckolded will be common knowledge among the Israelites, not that the adultery of his wives will happen in public. And this is how things play out. David is publicly humiliated by the infidelity of both his wives and his son but no one has adulterous sex in public.

Selah.

 

[ChesterKhan]

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

What ever happened to you shall not commit adultery?

Do you remember how that was fulfilled? Or that it was?

Does that really bother you so much? Tell me this: some months ago a somewhat famous Welsh singer was found guilty of true and genuine paedophilia - with babies, not just toddlers. Ian Watkins, if that rings a bell. What would you have done to him for his crimes?

 

[gord44]

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

What ever happened to you shall not commit adultery?

God can do what he wants. He usually punishes those he likes (like David) more then those he doesn't like. Temporal enjoyments are usually given to the evil so they can 'fatten' themselves for destruction on the Day of Judgement.

 

[Radagast]

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

Why is God's punishment towards David so filthy and immoral? Giving David's wives to another man so they can all have sex together in public?

This happens in 2 Samuel 16:20-22: Then Absalom said to Ahithophel, “Give me your advice. What should we do?” Ahithophel replied to Absalom, “Sleep with your father’s concubines he left to take care of the palace. When all Israel hears that you have become repulsive to your father, everyone with you will be encouraged.” So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.

But the punishment here is one of cause and effect. If you follow David's story over chapters 12 to 16, you will see that the revolt and civil war of Absalom has its origins in Absalom's anger over the rape of his sister Tamar by their half-brother Amnon. This in turn would never have happened if David had stuck to just one wife -- so it was David's adultery with Bathsheba that set in motion the chain of events that led to 2 Samuel 16:20-22. David's punishment is that he has to live with the consequences of his adultery.

 

[alexiscurious]

First of all, God was judging David's sin. He did this in a manner that gave David an experience of the pain and destruction that his sin caused others. As God declares in His Word, "whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap." (Ga. 6:7) But God did not force people to sin in order to judge David. Instead, He simply permitted the natural wickedness of those around David to have its head - incited, in no small part, by David's own evil example.

In light of the fact that God does not approve of adultery, we must read of God's judgement here in a somewhat figurative way. When God declares, "I will do this in broad daylight before all Israel" He is saying that David's humiliation at being cuckolded will be common knowledge among the Israelites, not that the adultery of his wives will happen in public. And this is how things play out. David is publicly humiliated by the infidelity of both his wives and his son but no one has adulterous sex in public.

Selah.

God says "I will take your wives" and "I will do this thing"

How from this verse can you conclude that God is not involved and just letting it play out?

 

[aiki]

God says "I will take your wives" and "I will do this thing"

How from this verse can you conclude that God is not involved and just letting it play out?

I never said God wasn't involved; He just isn't involved in the manner you suggest.

Selah.

 

[Radagast]

no one has adulterous sex in public.

This is not quite correct, of course: see 2 Samuel 16:20-22.

 

[aiki]

Uh, it says, "...they pitched a tent for Absalom on the top of the house, and Absalom went in to his father's concubines..." One is not having sex in public when one is engaging in sexual relations concealed within a tent. As I said, everyone knew what Absalom was doing and in this sense his sexual sin was public, but his sexual misconduct was not public in the literal, for-everyone-to-see sense.

Selah.

 

[Radagast]

Uh, it says, "...they pitched a tent for Absalom on the top of the house, and Absalom went in to his father's concubines..." One is not having sex in public when one is engaging in sexual relations concealed within a tent. As I said, everyone knew what Absalom was doing and in this sense his sexual sin was public, but his sexual misconduct was not public in the literal, for-everyone-to-see sense.

True.