and yes, they are emminating from your fingers STRANGER:
"Adam was indeed innocent at the time he disobeyed God , not knowing good from evil until AFTER eating-"
(open condemnation of Adam)
What ??? ... how can pointing out that under God's Law Adam was innocen5t be construed in any way as condemning him... ????
"Nor are men locked into sin any more after spirit baptism"
(til then they ARE?)
It is the bible points out that men cannot escape from sin by themselves , that God alone can help men escape becauase He remains straight ... it is the bible that states all men have sinned ... and are thus bound to sin until God releases them in spirit baptism and/or death ... the bible is not speaking in condemnation in this although it does condemn sin elsewhere ... but I am not responsible for what the bible says, it was not written by me ... one can observe that all men around one are indeed sinning accpording to the Law of God in the bible, but that is simply observing that the bible is correct. Tis God who condemns sin, not me , and I know first-hand that He condemns me for my sin to being apart from Him... I thus have not anyway any basis whatever to condemn anyone, being condemned myself at present, and who knows whom God will baptise between now and Jesus return, no-one on earth bar the few saints ... they than could judge, i cannot ... so again I ask you to stop hurting yourself by bearing false witness ...
"Jesus has even stated explicity that he will leave behind anyone who is still a sinner"
(again counting sins against your fellow man)
There is no counting by me here , it is a statement by Jesus , not by me
"Satan is thus half of the two closest to God at His throne, Jesus stands at the right-hand so Satan is on the left, but both look alike to God"
(quite a novel idea, but of course NON existing in scripture)
Well you didn't bother to read and understand the scripture below then? :-
1 Kings 6:25 And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size.
Psalms 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
"So the purpose of God in creating Satan and having him next to God , sharing half God's power , given almost all men to corrupt into sinners"
(hmmm....sharing "half God's power?" Making all men sinners? No, you sure don't lay sin upon your fellow man do you? Sure....)
My friend it is the scripture which says this ,not me ... Rev 13:3-8- all the world will worship the image created by Satan
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that
all have sinned:
Why do you confuse what scripture says with my pointing out what it says ?
"Satan shows then that love is the ONLY way"
(really?)
Yes Satan proposes unloving ways in temptation of men to sin, the failure of those ways in the ned shows that there is no other way than love because Satan is given power to tempt men to follow all ways of sin, every unlovingness is explored and none succeed long-term to satisfy men ... even the most evil of men turn back to love, cede dominion to Jesus' law of love in the end :-
Revelation 5:13 And, every created thing which was in heaven, and upon the earth, and under the earth, and upon the sea, and, all the things in them, heard I, sayingUnto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the dominion, unto the ages of ages!
His very foundation, is love, departing from sin ... grace then is only for the few whom it says it is for [Heb 8:8-12] God never made any covenant in scripture with everyone for His grace because only the few who are firts fruits"
(funny, I thought that the Grace of God appeared for ALL mankind?)
Then you haven't bothered to read the new covenant, I suggest that you read about grace in scripture before concluding about it from hearsay of sinners...
"satan rules almost all men in this world, only the saints have the kingdom in their hearts and minds"
(Oh? When did God stop being the God of ALL spirits?)
God has never stopped being the God of all spirits, but he does give Satan power over almost all men in this world for a while , just to let him show that there is no other way than His way of love...
"Jesus is not one's lord if one remains a sinner"
(Oh? When did Jesus cease being Lord of ALL?)
Your mistake again, Jesus WILL be lord of all, but obviously sinners do not obey him as lord, so he is not their lord no matter what they say, one does not disobey one's lord ...
"Jesus at his return rejects all who are still sinners"
(When did Jesus condemn your fellow man for sin?)
It is simply that men who are sinners at Jesus' return cannot be translated to spirit because they are still unacceptable to god as sinners, not loving ... thus death will free them form sin and they will start afressh after the second resurrection, an opportunity to live righteous loving lives free from sin in god's kingdom... thus God 'condems' men only to death for sin, the wages of sin is only death... and God resurrects all men from death, so it is simply a holding state whilst God prepares the perfect priesthood and the kingdom to receive the masses, billions of men ...
You are hung up on the word 'codemn' , God's judgment is simply to decide who is yet raedy to be redeemed in translation and who needs further convincing to cease to sin.... it is hardly 'condemnation' to free men from sin and give men another opportunity to be loving, freed of slavery to past sins ... God's judgment is oly condemnation to spend a little time dead whilst he gets things ready for the next show ...
"It is fairly obvious that most men die sinners"
(Only to those who "count sins" against their fellow mankind)
Sin is being unloving in any way ... it is fairly clear that most men are not loving saints by the time of their death... death frees all men from sin, so how can sin be counted against anyone, your ideas make no sense ... are you trying to pretend sin doesn't exist ???
"Obvously most men died without this spirit baptism in this life because most men die without being led into all truth, most men die sinners"
(You see, again and again you DO count sins against your FELLOW MAN, all the while DENYING that you practice such nonsense)
Sin does not count against men at all because they are freed from it in death ... you really are talking nonsense ... trying to pretend sin doesn't exist will not free you from sin, death will ...
Romans 6:7 [KJV] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:7 [REB]For, he that hath died, hath become righteously acquitted from his sin.
"It is a mistake then to think that one is God's child until one has been baptised"
(When did all of mankind cease being Gods offspring?)
God craeted all things, all men, but some He calls 'sons of God', some He calls 'sons of men' ... it is just the way the bible distinguishes between saints and sinners [at death , or at Jesus' return]
"There are two messages from God then , by His two cherubs, different messages, but together they say that God is God by right of goodness of love ... neither one alone is enough"
(When did the full expression of God in Christ come to be only one side of the message?)
Jesus shows that God is right about perfect love being A way to return to Him ... Satan shows that there is no other way ,by failing in all his attempts to demonstrate one ,even though god gives him the power to rule almost all men for a while, make us sinners by temptation not to love...
"sin is material"
(I'm sure you know that presentation is gnostic heresy don't you?)
I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about, sin can only manifest in the material world, there is no sin in the spirit realm of God ...
"most men cannot be righteous in this earth"
(Oh? When did the righteousness OF JESUS cease to be effective for ALL MANKIND?)
Every man will die for his own sin unless he becomes righteous , ceasing to sin ... Jesus never said he was a 'whipping boy' , Jesus had to die because men sinn, and He will turn all men from sin eventually, but he is no 'whippig boy' ... grace is only for the few whom God requires first because they are to be the perfect priests and rulers in His vast kingdom when it is established on earth... read the covenant of grace [Heb 8:8-12] , it says explicitly that it is only with those whose fathers broke the old covenant with Israel... Aain Jesus list ALL the few who will find the narrow strait way of ceasing to sin in this life , just 144,000 , in Rev 7:3-8 ... since you are so deep into believing what sinners taught you instead of reading what God says in scripture, just start seeing through the lies by reading that the FEW find the narrow straight way in this life :-
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
but the MANY are saved after this life :-
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Can you at least see that the FEW cannot be the MANY ???
