2 questions about adam and eve.

[Sammy-San]

I was recently thinking about adam and eve, and 2 very confusing things occurred to me about them.

1-Do you think they went to heaven or hell? They are the two people responsible for all the sin and problems going on in the world today.

2-This is a bit trickier of a question. If Adam and eve didnt sin, would the same souls exist right now or not? To be more specific, would WE exist right now?

Would we live with the same families we live with now, just in a utopia version of this world, if they didnt sin?

I dont know if the soul exists before birth, but I do know each soul alive now has a unique identity created by God. Adam and Eves sin caused sin and death, and the problems associated with it, to enter in this world. Its highly likely that if they didnt sin, since the world with be a utopic happy place, there would be no need for people to move around the world, and thus, many of the families who exist now (including many of our own) wouldnt exist, because the reasons our ancestors moved to where we live is because of the world being an imperfect place, as a result of adam and eves sin.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1. neither. in spirit there is no time like on earth/ in temporal . they'll rise and be on earth ruling with Jesus with all Yhvh's people when He returns shortly.(1 sec to whenever - actually the Jews know more closely, from the Hebrew, but that's for another site, not for gentiles. (though they can find if they seek.) ).

2. not.
briefly, so many were born in sinful relationships, from sinful relationships, of lack of relationship, that many 'couplings', and 'other' prgnncies as well besides, just never would ever even be thought about in those obedient to Yhvh, let alone carried out. all through the ages, and all through this year, extravagently. mankind is extremely wicked, and doomed.

 

[Sammy-San]

1. neither. in spirit there is no time like on earth/ in temporal . they'll rise and be on earth ruling with Jesus with all Yhvh's people when He returns shortly.(1 sec to whenever - actually the Jews know more closely, from the Hebrew, but that's for another site, not for gentiles. (though they can find if they seek.) ).

2. not.
briefly, so many were born in sinful relationships, from sinful relationships, of lack of relationship, that many 'couplings', and 'other' prgnncies as well besides, just never would ever even be thought about in those obedient to Yhvh, let alone carried out. all through the ages, and all through this year, extravagently. mankind is extremely wicked, and doomed.

How does "lack of relationship" cause people to be born? I dont get that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

the world is so sinful, many people don't understand.

children born the last thousands of years, when a man and woman just have sex and aren't married in union forever,
would not ever happen in a sinless society, nor ever be even thought of.

and children born of chemical, mechanical, or biological trickery of any kind also would not be, and would not be even thought of in a sinless society.

in a sinless society, there would be no second, third, forth, fifth and sixth marriages, unless a spouse died, each time, but in a sinless society there would be(and will be) no death, so no marriage after the first for each person. only one, for life (eternity) , as Yhvh always intended as Jesus said.

 

[thesunisout]

I was recently thinking about adam and eve, and 2 very confusing things occurred to me about them.

1-Do you think they went to heaven or hell? They are the two people responsible for all the sin and problems going on in the world today.

2-This is a bit trickier of a question. If Adam and eve didnt sin, would the same souls exist right now or not? To be more specific, would WE exist right now?

Would we live with the same families we live with now, just in a utopia version of this world, if they didnt sin?

I dont know if the soul exists before birth, but I do know each soul alive now has a unique identity created by God. Adam and Eves sin caused sin and death, and the problems associated with it, to enter in this world. Its highly likely that if they didnt sin, since the world with be a utopic happy place, there would be no need for people to move around the world, and thus, many of the families who exist now (including many of our own) wouldnt exist, because the reasons our ancestors moved to where we live is because of the world being an imperfect place, as a result of adam and eves sin.

God gave them the prophecy of the Messiah coming to restore everything in Genesis chapter 3:

Prophecies of Jesus - Is He God?

The scripture tells us the Old Testament saints were saved by faith, so if they believed in the Messiah coming, I think they will be in Heaven.

God already knew Adam and Eve would sin, that is why Jesus is the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

 

[Johnnz]

I was recently thinking about adam and eve, and 2 very confusing things occurred to me about them.

1-Do you think they went to heaven or hell? They are the two people responsible for all the sin and problems going on in the world today.

God's clothing of the pair was indicative of them having a priestly role within a fallen world.. God never tossed them aside. They are not automatically barred from God's eternal blessings that we will share one day.

2-This is a bit trickier of a question. If Adam and eve didnt sin, would the same souls exist right now or not? To be more specific, would WE exist right now?

Would we live with the same families we live with now, just in a utopia version of this world, if they didnt sin?

I dont know if the soul exists before birth, but I do know each soul alive now has a unique identity created by God. Adam and Eves sin caused sin and death, and the problems associated with it, to enter in this world. Its highly likely that if they didnt sin, since the world with be a utopic happy place, there would be no need for people to move around the world, and thus, many of the families who exist now (including many of our own) wouldnt exist, because the reasons our ancestors moved to where we live is because of the world being an imperfect place, as a result of adam and eves sin.

The notion of a separate soul is a Greek rather than a biblical concept. Both Testaments use terms such as soul, spirit, heart, somewhat interchangeably as expressions of the person. We are and always will be embodied beings.

John
NZ

 

[Alithis]

re -God's clothing of the pair was indicative of them having a priestly role within a fallen world.. God never tossed them aside. They are not automatically barred from God's eternal blessings that we will share one day.

i think that was more to do with him covering their shame(sin)by the shedding of blood..animals were slain to clothe(cover) adam & eve ... "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin"

 

[dayhiker]

1. Adam and Eve are in heaven .. they accepted the skins God made ... a sacrifice was made and they accepted it.

2. I've never thought of this question before. I could go either way. So I'll be wishy washy .. yes and no.

 

[Sammy-San]

1. Adam and Eve are in heaven .. they accepted the skins God made ... a sacrifice was made and they accepted it.

2. I've never thought of this question before. I could go either way. So I'll be wishy washy .. yes and no.

What makes you think Adam and Eve repented of their sin of bringing evil into the world?

 

[BryanW92]

What makes you think Adam and Eve repented of their sin of bringing evil into the world?

Read Gen 3:21 carefully. God made a sacrifice for them. After Gen 4:2, Adam and Eve disappear from the bible. No one knows what they did for the rest of their life with regards to repentance or worship. But their example is a good lesson for us because, despite what they did and the brutality of God's punishment, he still loved them enough to make them the first clothes to cover their nakedness. Regardless of where they wind up in the afterlife, that is the lesson that no one ever notices.

 

[Sammy-San]

1. Adam and Eve are in heaven .. they accepted the skins God made ... a sacrifice was made and they accepted it.

2. I've never thought of this question before. I could go either way. So I'll be wishy washy .. yes and no.

How can you say it may have been possible we may still have existed, since if no sin was in the world and fornication didnt exist, some of our ancestors may not have been born? In a utopic world, why would our ancestors immigrate to america from the countries they lived in?

 

[BryanW92]

How can you say it may have been possible we may still have existed, since if no sin was in the world and fornication didnt exist, some of our ancestors may not have been born? In a utopic world, why would our ancestors immigrate to america from the countries they lived in?

God knew what was going to happen from the beginning.

 

[Alithis]

Id say.. they are with enoch .

 

[JLR1300]

There is reason to believe that Adam and Eve were saved. 1. Like you said, God sacrificed and animal to cover the symbol of their sin (the knowledge that they were naked) They accepted His symbol of blood sacrifice and clothed themselves with it. 2. Their son Abel knew about this sacrifice because Genesis tells us that He killed a lamb and offered it as a sacrifice to the Lord and God accepted it. Where did he learn about this if not from Adam and Eve?

Cain on the other hand refused to trade his vegetables with Abel to purchase a lamb and offer it to God as a sacrifice. He decided that since he had worked hard to grow those vegetables he would just offer to God the works of his hands. God rejected that. God will never accept those who offer their works to Him. He only accepts those who offer the blood of the lamb for their sins. God held Cain responsible for his incorrect religion of works because evidently Adam and Eve had taught him that only a blood sacrifice is acceptable to God. So yes, I believe Adam and Eve learned from God how to be right with Him and they taught it to Abel and Cain but Cain refused to admit that he needed a blood sacrifice to cover His sins and offered God his good works. That still happens all of the time.

 

[Sammy-San]

God knew what was going to happen from the beginning.

How does God knowing the future connect to my question about whether or not our souls would exist if Adam and Eve didnt sin?

 

[BryanW92]

How does God knowing the future connect to my question about whether or not our souls would exist if Adam and Eve didnt sin?

Because he did not create an entire universe for two people.

 

[Sammy-San]

Because he did not create an entire universe for two people.

So you do believe we (not just us, most people alive in the world right now) would exist right now, if they didnt sin, taking into consideration the fact that without sin in the world, the circumstances that led to many people being born wouldnt happen?

 

[BryanW92]

So you do believe we (not just us, most people alive in the world right now) would exist right now, if they didnt sin, taking into consideration the fact that without sin in the world, the circumstances that led to many people being born wouldnt happen?

In the constraints of your question, I would have to ask you what you think God's plan for Adam and Eve was if they hadn't eaten the fruit? Would he have instituted a system where two humans, one male and one female, would have been chosen by him upon reaching a certain age to be mates and they would have had some very boring, but functional, sex to procreate?

Do animals sin by having sex? Why do you think that sinless humans would not figure out all of their bodily functions, including the fact that Tab A fits in Slot B? Did Adam have a prostate? You do realize that it is a natural function of the prostate to relieve itself occasionally while sleeping? This would have happened to Adam.

 

[jacktheman]

sounds like somma them ...unanswerable questions...

 

[Sammy-San]

re -God's clothing of the pair was indicative of them having a priestly role within a fallen world.. God never tossed them aside. They are not automatically barred from God's eternal blessings that we will share one day.

i think that was more to do with him covering their shame(sin)by the shedding of blood..animals were slain to clothe(cover) adam & eve ... "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin"

What does it mean that Adam and Eve had a priestly role?

Also, whats your view on this article? Why did God tell Adam and Eve to fill the earth—if no one died, wouldn't the earth have become overpopulated?