2 proofs that nature was designed

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Oh, right, God is eternal. Except, you have no idea what God is or isn't.
What answer will you accept?

God came from ylem? only from the mind of Minolta? He is a shepherd who shepherds sheeple who were willing to die for something they "knew weren't sue"? what exactly?
 
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What answer will you accept?

God came from ylem? only from the mind of Minolta? He is a shepherd who shepherds sheeple who were willing to die for something they "knew weren't sue"? what exactly?
I will accept any answer that is backed by EVIDENCE. The Bible is not EVIDENCE. The Bible is the claim. We then have to go out and study the universe to determine what is and what isn't. The data shows no evidence that a god or gods exist in any form whatsoever.

Provide evidence. Not stories.
 
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The data shows no evidence that a god or gods exist in any form whatsoever.
Merry Christmas this December in AD 2021. Don't forget to sing Christmas hymns, carols, and songs!

Pop quiz: Where does the comma go in GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN?
 
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Merry Christmas this December in AD 2021. Don't forget to sing Christmas hymns, carols, and songs!

Pop quiz: Where does the comma go in GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN?
That's not evidence either. That's proof that the person who created the calendar believed as you do.
 
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Merry Christmas this December in AD 2021. Don't forget to sing Christmas hymns, carols, and songs!

Pop quiz: Where does the comma go in GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN?
No wonder you have such trouble with the concept of the Theory of Evolution if you think that what something is named lends credence to the existence of that thing.

You must have a hell of a time with Buffalo Wings.
 
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No wonder you have such trouble with the concept of the Theory of Evolution if you think that what something is named lends credence to the existence of that thing.
Which came first? the birth of Jesus? or the song: The First Noel?
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You must have a hell of a time with Buffalo Wings.
No, because Buffalo (NY) came first.

Which came first? the Florida keys, or key lime pie?
 
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Which came first? the birth of Jesus? or the song: The First Noel?No, because Buffalo (NY) came first.

Which came first? the Florida keys, or key lime pie?
Which came first, the STORY of the birth of Jesus or the song?

You can't prove Jesus was real because there are Christmas carols.
 
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But science can take a hike now, can't it? ;)

Science is a method. That's all it is. It's a way of discovering things about the universe so that we don't deceive ourselves. YOU hate it because it doesn't confirm the Bible as all truth.

How pathetic that you take a book written between 2-4,000 years ago and place it above all the knowledge of mankind.
 
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I do. Except it's not about what you BELIEVE the cause to be. Wow, it's messed up belief day.
Why then did Jesus appeal to cause-and-effect evidence to convince John the Baptist that He was He?
 
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Which came first, the STORY of the birth of Jesus or the song?

You can't prove Jesus was real because there are Christmas carols.
That ole' cause-and-effect principle in science can take a hike, can't it? ;)
 
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How pathetic that you take a book written between 2-4,000 years ago and place it above all the knowledge of mankind.
What's that old saying?

The pen is mightier than the science?
 
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Science is a method. That's all it is. It's a way of discovering things about the universe so that we don't deceive ourselves. YOU hate it because it doesn't confirm the Bible as all truth.

How pathetic that you take a book written between 2-4,000 years ago and place it above all the knowledge of mankind.

It's common to "know" more than every scientist on earth.
and odd conceit, but there it is.
In general the kind of people who are so afflicted
are unable to handle complexity, and must have simple
(facile) answers. And be right.

I think there is something very rigid and brittle
in it, so that the least crack will shatter the lot.

It's not the Bible per se that has to be True,
but the person's chosen interpretation, which
often enough comes down to belief in personal
infallibility.

It's a most unfathomable sort of egoism,
and so not in keeping with what I think of
as being Christian calls for humility.
 
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