2 Peter 3:9

[HeDied4Me]

"The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9, NIV)

Wouldn't this verse imply that if God chooses to predestine people, then He would predestine everyone?

Or is it more complicated than that?

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Nevermind... I looked back at an older thread and realized that I already asked this question... I think I understand the answer.

You can ignore this thread.

 

[McWilliams]

Not complicated!
He is waiting for all those that are chosen to come to faith in Him.
All that the Father gave to me will come to me!

 

[Zacharias]

oops sorry

 

[orthedoxy]

Does God want people to sin and does he want people to perish?

 

[Zacharias]

2 Peter 3:9 is my favorite limited atonement proof-verse!

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [tis] should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Tis means: a certain, a certain one, some, some time, a while.

It was tranlated as follows in the KJV:
certain 104, some 73, any man 55, any 37, one 34, man 34, anything 24, a 9, certain man 7, something 6, somewhat 6, ought 5, some man 4, certain thing 2, nothing + (3756) 2, divers 2, he 2, thing 1, another 2, not translated 17, miscellaneous 22

 

[orthedoxy]

Does God want kids to be melested?

 

[UMP]

Does God want kids to be melested?

Matthew 18:
[6] But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
[7] Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

 

[Zacharias]

Does God want kids to be melested?

All to the glory of God. Does God want His people to suffer? To His own glory, He has fore-ordained whatsoever comes to pass.

Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

 

[bradfordl]

Does God want kids to be melested?

It may confound you to know that yes, He must, but it is true. Because if He did not it would never happen. What man intends for evil God intends for good. God's ordaining of sin and man's responsibility for the commission of it exist side by side without tension except in the mind that desires to make God out to be like unto a man. God is holy; when He ordains a thing it is always with a holy intention and result. Man's intentions in the commission of sin is only evil, and he has no control over the result. As when Joseph faced his brothers after their wickedness and many years, he said rightly that what they did they intended for evil, but God intended for good. God's ordaining and man's devising were both present, as is so in all things.

All christians must find an explanation for the existence of such evil as we find in the world. Your theology does so by assigning to man the ability to overthrow the will of God. This is not biblical. The Reformed view is that God ordains evil for an ultimately good purpose, the foremost of which can be easily deduced to be His own glory in carrying out justice against it, as well as other good purposes we may not see clearly now.

That God has ordained that His creatures will commit greivous acts of wickedness in the process of Him glorifying Himself and His Son and redeeming for Himself a people does not mean that He is morally responsible for those individual acts of evil. That responsibility lies with the perpetrator of the act, whose intent was evil. God's intent is never evil.

 

[cygnusx1]

Does God want kids to be melested?

do you think Calvinists have not asked these questions ?
do you think us a hard , unfeeling , wicked vile bunch ?

or ...........are you falling for a fallacy !




Fallacy: Appeal to Emotion
Description of Appeal to Emotion


An Appeal to Emotion is a fallacy with the following structure:

1. Favorable emotions are associated with X.
2. Therefore, X is true.

This fallacy is committed when someone manipulates peoples' emotions in order to get them to accept a claim as being true. More formally, this sort of "reasoning" involves the substitution of various means of producing strong emotions in place of evidence for a claim. If the favorable emotions associated with X influence the person to accept X as true because they "feel good about X," then he has fallen prey to the fallacy.
This sort of "reasoning" is very common in politics and it serves as the basis for a large portion of modern advertising. Most political speeches are aimed at generating feelings in people so that these feelings will get them to vote or act a certain way. in the case of advertising, the commercials are aimed at evoking emotions that will influence people to buy certain products. In most cases, such speeches and commercials are notoriously free of real evidence. This sort of "reasoning" is quite evidently fallacious. It is fallacious because using various tactics to incite emotions in people does not serve as evidence for a claim. For example, if a person were able to inspire in a person an incredible hatred of the claim that 1+1 = 2 and then inspired the person to love the claim that 1+1 = 3, it would hardly follow that the claim that 1+1 = 3 would be adequately supported.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-emotion.html

 

[orthedoxy]

Do Calvinists want their kids to be melested?
Can you be loving and want your kids to be melested?

 

[UMP]

Do Calvinists want their kids to be melested?
Can you be loving and want your kids to be melested?

 

[ReformedChapin]

Indeed

never heard that word before either...melested

 

[Zacharias]

Do Calvinists want their kids to be melested?
Can you be loving and want your kids to be melested?

My will is the kids don't get molested. God's will might be to let them get molested for His glory. God has one will. God knows that good events can come from bad events. I haven't had the best life, but God has used my past to strengthen me in the present. I could say, "Why would God will this for me?" Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Elderone]

Do Calvinists want their kids to be melested?
Can you be loving and want your kids to be melested?

It is apparent the Bible passages and other answers to your questions have not been what you wanted to hear. The sooner you come to the realization that God is in charge of everything, and that His thoughts are not our thoughts nor our ways His ways - paraphrase of Isa 55:8 - the sooner you will be able to better understand why things happen.

 

[Zacharias]

Do Calvinists want their kids to be melested?
Can you be loving and want your kids to be melested?

My will is the kids don't get molested. God's will might be to let them get molested for His glory. God has one will. God knows that good events can come from bad events. I haven't had the best life, but God has used my past to strengthen me in the present. I could say, "Why would God will this for me?" Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Beoga]

My will is the kids don't get molested. God's will might be to let them get molested for His glory. God has one will. God knows that good events can come from bad events. I haven't had the best life, but God has used my past to strengthen me in the present. I could say, "Why would God will this for me?" Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

So brother do you not believe that God has a will of decree and then a will of command? Or are you using the term "will" in some other sense?

 

[heymikey80]

So brother do you not believe that God has a will of decree and then a will of command? Or are you using the term "will" in some other sense?

If his view is Calvinistic, then it'd be described this way:

Augustine testifies: " God in a secret and marvellous way justly wills the things which men unjustly do. Although according to His will, as truly expressed in His law, He hates iniquity, and has pleasure only in rectitude. And from this fountain flow all the curses which are appended to the law. For if iniquities did not displease Him, as being utterly contrary to His nature, He would neither denounce nor exact punishments." Calvin, quoting Augustin, "Eternal Predestination" p. 193
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There's temporary discontinuity, but actual unity, to accomplish the fulness of God's will. Sin can't be vanquished if it doesn't exist. The depth of God's redemptive nature can't be shown if He never has anything to redeem us from.

 

[Zacharias]

So brother do you not believe that God has a will of decree and then a will of command? Or are you using the term "will" in some other sense?

God has one will. We are powerless to go against it. Whatever happens is God's will.

 

[heymikey80]

God has one will. We are powerless to go against it. Whatever happens is God's will.

Well, we're powerless to ultimately defy God's will, but clearly all sin is against God's will, and to demonstrate -- people sin.

I think that's what Beoga's asking about -- how you resolve God's will that we not sin, with the fact that we sin.