2 Peter 1:10

[messianist]

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

If we have free will to choose our salvation what is peter conveying to us in this scripture.

 

[Danthemailman]

By cultivating the qualities listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, Christians can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you truly have been called and elected. Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity

 

[messianist]

So do you believe that man can not choose to be saved?

 

[Thedictator]

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

If we have free will to choose our salvation what is peter conveying to us in this scripture.

What Peter is saying is live the Christian life that the Bible calls us to live. If you do this, you will make it to salvation.

 

[Danthemailman]

Man must choose to be saved (Acts 16:30-31).

 

[Hank77]

So do you believe that man can not choose to be saved?

I don't believe you can choose to be saved but you can choose to reject the calling.

There will not be one person on judgement day that will be able to make the excuse that they were never invited to the wedding feast. Only those who refused to come and those who showed up but were not wearing the righteousness of Christ.
Matthew 22:1-14

 

[messianist]

Man must choose to be saved (Acts 16:30-31).

ok so if man must choose then why would he need to make sure of his calling and election?
In john 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

 

[messianist]

T

What Peter is saying is live the Christian life that the Bible calls us to live. If you do this, you will make it to salvation.

That sounds like salvation by works

 

[messianist]

I don't believe you can choose to be saved but you can choose to reject the calling.

There will not be one person on judgement day that will be able to make the excuse that they were never invited to the wedding feast. Only those who refused to come and those who showed up but were not wearing the righteousness of Christ.
Matthew 22:1-14

Thats interesting i remember that thought going through my head for a long time, does everyone get the calling.

 

[Thedictator]

T

That sounds like salvation by works

Well just like the Pharisees who accused Jesus Christ of working on the Sabbath, you have a false understanding of Work. The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by an active faith and not an inactive dead faith. (James 2) The manmade denominational teaching of dead faith salvation (faith only) will not save anyone. The kind of works that Paul said could not save are not Active Faith or faithful obedience.

 

[Hank77]

Thats interesting i remember that thought going through my head for a long time, does everyone get the calling.

I believe so. Read Matthew 22:1-14. Does it sound like anyone was left out of the calling?

 

[Thedictator]

ok so if man must choose then why would he need to make sure of his calling and election?
In john 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Yes God chose us first, but we must also choose him, just like in a marriage one may choose someone and pursue them until the are persuaded to chose them back. God does not force us to be saved against our will.

 

[Hank77]

T

That sounds like salvation by works

Not works in order to be saved but the works that come because of faith in Christ.
If we truly love God and our neighbor the works of faith will naturally come. The desire of our heart is to please God.

 

[Danthemailman]

ok so if man must choose then why would he need to make sure of his calling and election?
In john 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you.. How do you interpret that? Elsewhere, Paul said - Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith.. (2 Corinthians 13:5).

 

[messianist]

Well just like the Pharisees who accused Jesus Christ of working on the Sabbath, you have a false understanding of Work. The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by an active faith and not an inactive dead faith. (James 2) The manmade denominational teaching of dead faith salvation (faith only) will not save anyone. The kind of works that Paul said could not save are not Active Faith or faithful obedience.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

[messianist]

I believe so. Read Matthew 22:1-14. Does it sound like anyone was left out of the calling?

I spend time with older family members and they can't comprehend any of this, so do date they haven't been called, knowing so many people who think this is make believe brought me to the question does everyone get the calling.

 

[messianist]

Well just like the Pharisees who accused Jesus Christ of working on the Sabbath, you have a false understanding of Work. The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by an active faith and not an inactive dead faith. (James 2) The manmade denominational teaching of dead faith salvation (faith only) will not save anyone. The kind of works that Paul said could not save are not Active Faith or faithful obedience.

In your first post, you said we would have to do the things in the bible to be saved? so if we are doing things to be saved then surely that's works?

 

[Hank77]

Elsewhere, Paul said - Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith.. (2 Corinthians 13:5).

This is what I understand from 13:1-..
Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith that you received from me or has it been corrupted.

There were those who had come into the church at Corinth teaching other doctrine other than what Paul had preached to them. Some in the church it appears had become confused, unstable, and even offended, committing sin. Paul says when he comes he is going to straighten it out and it isn't going to be pretty, so they had better figure out if they were still standing in the Gospel he a preached or if they were reprobates, rebels, gone rogue.

 

[messianist]

Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you.. How do you interpret that? Elsewhere, Paul said - Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith.. (2 Corinthians 13:5).

my point is if man can choose outright to be saved then why would we need to do these things it would be a done deal the moment a person chooses, so when i read scripures that say Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Grace is a free gift, so when we examine our selves by ensuring our calling and election we will know if we are on that narrow road

 

[messianist]

This is what I understand from 13:1-..
Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith that you received from me or has it been corrupted.

There were those who had come into the church at Corinth teaching other doctrine other than what Paul had preached to them. Some in the church it appears had become confused, unstable, and even offended, committing sin. Paul says when he comes he is going to straighten it out and it isn't going to be pretty, so they had better figure out if they were still standing in the Gospel he a preached or if they were reprobates, rebels, gone rogue.

Thank you have just answered my question to danthemailman.

 

[Thedictator]

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Just what kind of works is Paul talking about? All works? God's work on the cross? the work of belief?
mental work? spiritual work? physical work? faithful work? works of the law? and so on. Now belief and faith are a work (John 6:29) are you telling me that you can be saved and not believe in Jesus Christ?

The statement here: if we just take it as it is stated then no works at all can save including works done by God and Jesus Christ "not by works, so that no one can boast" The word no one or anyone (in other versions) would mean God and Jesus also. So it can't be All works. What is Paul talking about? He is talking about the works of the Law and merit, not acts of faith.