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16 dead in Germany school shooting
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<blockquote data-quote="redleghunter" data-source="post: 72355398" data-attributes="member: 348895"><p>This is quite similar to family members and the state being allowed to commit people to mental institutions against their will. That no longer happens as many argued if they are an adult no one else should be able to commit them unless they have transgressed the law. There are other reasons why this was nixed years ago. For example, people who were not mentally ill were being committed because family members wanted to get rid of them or steal their money. Not to mention mental facilities more than willing to fill another bed and get the insurance money. Once again, the relevance of this is personal liberty and privacy.</p><p></p><p>However, what you opine on in what I quoted, someone has demonstrated a violent act or thread thereof. And there is due process. I will say I would not be surprised some of the cases in these states adopting such laws are challenged not on 2nd amendment premises but the 4th amendment. </p><p></p><p>I'll tell you how we did it in the military. If a Solider was deemed a threat to self or others they were ordered to surrender their weapons and we secured them in the arms room. Everyone who lived in the barracks had their weapons secured in the arms room by regulation. Now that is the military where me as the commander can do that. I am judge, jury and prosecutor. Question is how much of civil society wants to become like the military? Answer? 98% won't want something like this because if they did they would be serving in the military with the 2%. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Now waxing philosophical. We've had guns all over the place since before the American Revolution. We were spread out a lot more and a rural society up to about the WWII era. Now we are jammed packed into urban areas. Throw in there that even if not everyone was Christian throughout American history, most held to a social compact of not harming others (Golden Rule). Add to that most people believed in some divine retribution for killing people beyond this life. Most prior to the counterculture believed life had meaning regardless of faith background or lack thereof. Something changed starting in the 70s where people became more depressed and started to embrace the nihilistic framework of "life has no meaning" other than what we have right here in front of us. The first signs of this actually emerged in the 1950s where society looked to the amassing of wealth as the societal norm. Then came the counterculture where the amassing of personal pleasure became a societal norm. Both promoted greed, STDs, abortion and a cold hearted nation. Now that nihilistic society has many depressed and emotionally/mentally ill persons with access to guns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="redleghunter, post: 72355398, member: 348895"] This is quite similar to family members and the state being allowed to commit people to mental institutions against their will. That no longer happens as many argued if they are an adult no one else should be able to commit them unless they have transgressed the law. There are other reasons why this was nixed years ago. For example, people who were not mentally ill were being committed because family members wanted to get rid of them or steal their money. Not to mention mental facilities more than willing to fill another bed and get the insurance money. Once again, the relevance of this is personal liberty and privacy. However, what you opine on in what I quoted, someone has demonstrated a violent act or thread thereof. And there is due process. I will say I would not be surprised some of the cases in these states adopting such laws are challenged not on 2nd amendment premises but the 4th amendment. I'll tell you how we did it in the military. If a Solider was deemed a threat to self or others they were ordered to surrender their weapons and we secured them in the arms room. Everyone who lived in the barracks had their weapons secured in the arms room by regulation. Now that is the military where me as the commander can do that. I am judge, jury and prosecutor. Question is how much of civil society wants to become like the military? Answer? 98% won't want something like this because if they did they would be serving in the military with the 2%. :) Now waxing philosophical. We've had guns all over the place since before the American Revolution. We were spread out a lot more and a rural society up to about the WWII era. Now we are jammed packed into urban areas. Throw in there that even if not everyone was Christian throughout American history, most held to a social compact of not harming others (Golden Rule). Add to that most people believed in some divine retribution for killing people beyond this life. Most prior to the counterculture believed life had meaning regardless of faith background or lack thereof. Something changed starting in the 70s where people became more depressed and started to embrace the nihilistic framework of "life has no meaning" other than what we have right here in front of us. The first signs of this actually emerged in the 1950s where society looked to the amassing of wealth as the societal norm. Then came the counterculture where the amassing of personal pleasure became a societal norm. Both promoted greed, STDs, abortion and a cold hearted nation. Now that nihilistic society has many depressed and emotionally/mentally ill persons with access to guns. [/QUOTE]
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