110 Confederate monuments removed in US since 2015

[SummerMadness]

110 Confederate monuments removed in US since 2015

It took generations to erect all the nation's Confederate monuments, and a new report shows they're being removed at a pace of about three each month.

The study — released Monday by the Southern Poverty Law Center — shows that 110 Confederate monuments have been removed nationwide since 2015, when a shooting at a black church in South Carolina energized a movement against such memorials.

The number — which includes schools and roads that have been renamed in California, a repurposed Confederate holiday in Georgia, plus rebel flags and monuments that have been taken down in Alabama, Louisiana and elsewhere — represents a relative handful compared with the more than 1,700 memorials that remain to hail the Southern "lost cause."

 

[Halbhh]

110 Confederate monuments removed in US since 2015

I was a bit surprised, but pleased, to see Snopes.com the fact checking organization examine closely the details of how

Confederate General Robert E. Lee opposed civil war monuments.

Details:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-e-lee-confederate-monuments/

 

[Yarddog]

110 Confederate monuments removed in US since 2015

How many of those have just been moved to another site? We had a couple taken from one site and set back up in another, which was felt more appropriate.

 

[Glaucus]

ISIS destroyed a lot of history, too.

 

[Albion]

ISIS destroyed a lot of history, too.

Yes. That's quite in the spirit of vengeance and intolerance which has likewise fueled the recent orgy of destroying Confederate monuments in the USA.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

ISIS destroyed a lot of history, too.

Good or the evil history? The United States history is very evil.

 

[Glaucus]

Good or the evil history? The United States history is very evil.

Could move to a different country. Perhaps a European one where you won't find a history of wars or atrocities. Oh wait, doesn't exist. Maybe Mexico or Africa where it's rainbows and butterflies.

 

[SummerMadness]

Confederate monuments and flags are flown on government building and parks to send a message, "Black people, know your place." It's refreshing to see we will no longer celebrate many of those displays, they can go in the museum where they belong.

As for the ridiculous idea that history was destroyed, last I checked I still k ow what happened in WWII, yet I don't see monuments glorifying the leaders of the Axis powers. :shrug:

Or maybe I should use the words often used by the people who erected these monuments, "Get over it! Stop living in the past!"

 

[Glaucus]

Confederate monuments and flags are flown on government building and parks to send a message, "Black, no your place." It's refreshing to see we will no longer celebrate many of those displays, they can go in the museum where they belong.

As for the ridiculous idea that history was destroyed, last I checked I still k ow what happened in WWII, yet I don't see monuments glorifying the leaders of the Axis powers. :shrug:

Or maybe I should use the words often used by the people who erected these monuments, "Get over it! Stop living in the past!"

Funny. The racist slave owners who fought for the South were Dems. We're fighting for Dem history to be preserved, racist as it is.

 

[ripple the car]

Confederate monuments and flags are flown on government building and parks to send a message, "Black, no your place." It's refreshing to see we will no longer celebrate many of those displays, they can go in the museum where they belong.

As for the ridiculous idea that history was destroyed, last I checked I still k ow what happened in WWII, yet I don't see monuments glorifying the leaders of the Axis powers. :shrug:

Or maybe I should use the words often used by the people who erected these monuments, "Get over it! Stop living in the past!"

Confederate monuments also honor the soldiers who fought and died on the Confederate side. However one may feel about the war and the usefulness of being proud to be a Southern White person, simply vanishing historical markers of another side's battles in a war that changed America doesn't seem like the right move. Thousands died on both sides, battles were lost and battles were won, and while the South obviously lost, removing images commemorating Confederate fighters and generals seems like over-kill.

 

[SummerMadness]

Funny. The racist slave owners who fought for the South were Dems. We're fighting for Dem history to be preserved, racist as it is.

And the racists trying to preserve those monuments are the members of the Republican Party (remember how they wanted to "unite the right"?). I guess you could try to make a weak argument about political parties as if they're static entities, or recognize simpler fact. Racist southerners fought to maintain the institution of slavery and racist southerners erected Confederate monuments to tell black people to know their place.

 

[TheBear]

110 Confederate monuments removed in US since 2015

Just goes to show you how racist this country is, in the 21st century.

 

[SummerMadness]

Confederate monuments also honor the soldiers who fought and died on the Confederate side. However one may feel about the war and the usefulness of being proud to be a Southern White person, simply vanishing historical markers of another side's battles in a war that changed America doesn't seem like the right move. Thousands died on both sides, battles were lost and battles were won, and while the South obviously lost, removing images commemorating Confederate fighters and generals seems like over-kill.

Why are they living in the past, the Civil War ended over 150 years ago and they keep talking about it? We have history books and museums, we know what happened, you didn't win.

How about we erect some monuments to the ending slavery and segregation? I think those are far more relevant monuments to celebrate history in the South.

And I like the idea that people are finally admitting that "Confederate = White." There are some that try to hide that fact, which if the former is the case saying "Southern Heritage = Confederacy" is not very accurate when it ignores non-white inhabitants of the South... or can they only have heritage when they ceased to be property?

 

[SummerMadness]

Just goes to show you how racist this country is, in the 21st century.

Exactly. The fact that these racist symbols stayed up for so long says a lot about racism in America. It's a good thing this country is improving and taking those symbols of hate down.

 

[Glaucus]

And the racists trying to preserve those monuments are the members of the Republican Party (remember how they wanted to "unite the right"?). I guess you could try to make a weak argument about political parties as if they're static entities, or recognize simpler fact. Racist southerners fought to maintain the institution of slavery and racist southerners erected Confederate monuments to tell black people to know their place.

As an Orthodox Christian who abhors racism and is for gay rights outside of the Church due to a free way of living, I support the monuments staying for American historical purposes. It would be like me being ok with all heterodox churches being demolished due to being false, but I'm not because it's stupid.

P.S. my brother is gay and married to a black man and I support and love them very much. This isn't the typical, "oh, you have a black friend" scenario libs throw out. History is history, this is the land of Confederate history and we need to keep it.

 

[ripple the car]

Why are they living in the past, the Civil War ended over 150 years ago and they keep talking about it? We have history books and museums, we know what happened, you didn't win.

How about we erect some monuments to the ending slavery and segregation? I think those are far more relevant monuments to celebrate history in the South.

And I like the idea that people are finally admitting that "Confederate = White." There are some that try to hide that fact, which if the former is the case saying "Southern Heritage = Confederacy" is not very accurate when it ignores non-white inhabitants of the South... or can they only have heritage when they ceased to be property?

Confederate pretty much does equal White. I hear few country music songs by African-Americans about how beautiful and awesome living in the South is.

But it is still a part of American history, still deserves to be in the public eye, and does still serve the purpose, at least in some cases I've seen, of commemorating fallen Confederate soldiers. However one may feel about the war, those were someone's sons, too.

 

[SummerMadness]

Just as we don't keep up emblems of Nazi Germany, we don't erect monuments to the Civil War (many erected in the 20th century in response to desegregation efforts).

But maybe I'm wrong, there are some black people who done emblems of the Confederacy:

 

[SummerMadness]

Confederate pretty much does equal White. I hear few country music songs by African-Americans about how beautiful and awesome living in the South is.

But it is still a part of American history, still deserves to be in the public eye, and does still serve the purpose, at least in some cases I've seen, of commemorating fallen Confederate soldiers. However one may feel about the war, those were someone's sons, too.

Since when was a museum not open to the public?

 

[ripple the car]

That actually looks pretty dope. He wears it better than the white kids from rural Iowa (a Union state).

 

[ripple the car]

Since when was a museum not open to the public?

It's still in a building, behind walls. In a public space with no fees, walls, or doors, anyone can see it. It's still part of history.