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I use the King James Bible only, but I'm not going to argue about it or answer those questions. After a long hard look at other translations, I settled on the King James. It's nice to know I can put my full weight on a single word or a phrase in the Bible.I don't have those nagging questions I used to have.

I can finally concentrate on what the words really mean and the Person to whom the Scriptures point.

Peace to all
 
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lutheranchristian said:
I use the King James Bible only, but I'm not going to argue about it or answer those questions. After a long hard look at other translations, I settled on the King James. It's nice to know I can put my full weight on a single word or a phrase in the Bible.I don't have those nagging questions I used to have.

I can finally concentrate on what the words really mean and the Person to whom the Scriptures point.

Peace to all

You can put your "full weight" on anything you like; but just because you feel good about it, doesn't mean that it's accurate. Feelings have little to do with facts. Paul didn't commend the Bereans for feeling good about his message, he commended them because they went home and studied like crazy to find if what was said was the truth. Don't be lazy and go on your feelings, go on the facts!
 
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lutheranchristian said:
I use the King James Bible only, but I'm not going to argue about it or answer those questions. After a long hard look at other translations, I settled on the King James. It's nice to know I can put my full weight on a single word or a phrase in the Bible.I don't have those nagging questions I used to have.

I can finally concentrate on what the words really mean and the Person to whom the Scriptures point.

Peace to all


I also use the King James Version only and neither will I argue over those questions. I found something awhile back that appeared to explain things very well to me. Of course, I know there's plenty of disagreement as to Bible versions. If you were Satan what would be one of the main things you would attack or twist or corrupt or change or attempt to discredit? I'd say the word of God.


http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/another.htm
 
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Instead of asking the same old nonsense questions (Is such ans such God's word, where was the bible before 1611, what about people who don't speak read English (always written IN ENGLISH ironically) educate yourself as to why people who believe the bible are so adamant about this particular one.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/
 
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In one post, you call me lazy and emotional. Hmm... You sure don't know me. I believe that the King James Bible is the perfect ly preserved Word of God. I used to have almost every translation out there and looked over every one. I HAVE researched the Bible translation issue and I DO base my opinion on facts.

I hope you don't slander other people as easily as you slandered me.

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You can put your "full weight" on anything you like; but just because you feel good about it, doesn't mean that it's accurate. Feelings have little to do with facts. Paul didn't commend the Bereans for feeling good about his message, he commended them because they went home and studied like crazy to find if what was said was the truth. Don't be lazy and go on your feelings, go on the facts!
 
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PaladinDoodler said:
I am an adamant opponent of "King James Onlyism",

SIN!

1. Is/was the Latin Vulgate the word of God? Why or why not?

It was NOT- Because it was written by a CATHOLIC!

2. Is/was the Septuagint (LXX) the word of God? why or why not?
It was NOT- Because it was written by JEWS!!

3. Is/was the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, Matthew's, Tyndale's, etc. the word of God? Why or why not?
They were NOT- Because they were written without royal approval!

4. Which edition (year) of the KJV is uncorrupted?

1611! Are you MAD?

Why do they differ, even occasionally in words?

Because Satan HATES the KJV! He is always trying to get his little evil hands in there.....he lets other translations out because they are NOT the Word of God!

5. Who publishes the uncorrupted KJV?

I DO!

Why do they differ slightly, even occasionally in words?

See above.

6. In the context of Matt 5:18, define "jot", "tittle", and "law".

Thou unbeliever! Like the serpent saith- "hath God said?". How can anyone presume to ask the KJV a question?

7. Define "circular argument" and give an example.

...if you hold the Bible in your hands (not hardback), folding it around itself, and then read the book of Romans in that position, that would constitue a circular argument- of Paul's, of course.

8. When you encounter an archaic term or phrase in the KJV, or come across a "contradiction", why do you rely on fallible tools (dictionaries, etc) to interpret the infallible?

There are no contradictions in the KJV and all the terms are not archiac- we have been too liberal with our God-given and inspired English language and should have never let it develop and change from its pure Elizabethan form.

9. Suppose you lived in the 10th century. How would you define "preservation" as it related to God's word, so as to not contradict the KJV-only position?

The true Bible was kept hidden in caves, its location known only to true Christians, and the text was the only true text, all others being Satanic frauds that were responsible for the advent of Islam.

10. The KJV came out in 1611. Where was the "final authority" in 1610 and prior? Explain.

I was.
 
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I am an adamant opponent of "King James Onlyism",
I feel sorry for you. There are far more worthy causes to adamantly oppose than God’s Word.
the belief that the King James Version is the only accurate and inspired translation of the word of God. If you are an advocate or believer in King James Onlyism, please read on!
okay

First of all, I have 10 questions for you if you are an advocate or believer in King James Onlyism.
First of all … you copied and pasted the questions, as you so aptly stated below. However, the fact remains, that they’re NOT your questions.
Please answer these questions as honestly and correctly as you can.
I ask you to do the same.

1. Is/was the Latin Vulgate the word of God? Why or why not?
Some of it is; most of it comes from the Alexandrian Text out of Egypt which is influenced by the Eastern Culture. The Alexandrian Texts are not as consistent with one another as the Textus Receptus
2. Is/was the Septuagint (LXX) the word of God? why or why not?
For the Same reasons as the previous answer.
3. Is/was the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, Matthew's, Tyndale's, etc. the word of God? Why or why not?
All are the word of God, including the Latin Vulgate. The KJV is purer in the English language sense that at that period of time the English language was purest. Secular English Language scholars will tell you that. Back then gay meant happy and cool meant a tad bit colder that tepid.
4. Which edition (year) of the KJV is uncorrupted? Why do they differ, even occasionally in words? (And if your response has to do with printing problems, why would God inspire a perfect translation only to have it corrupted by the printers? The common people would still be lacking an uncorrupt word of God.)
God inspired the words centuries before they were transcribed.
5. Who publishes the uncorrupted KJV? Cambride, Oxford, Kirkbride, Scofield, AMG, Zondervan, one of the Bible Societies, or one of the many other publishers? Why do they differ slightly, even occasionally in words?
Which ones differ? I have 2 in front of me, One Published by Cambridge and the other published by Thomas Nelson. The only difference is the maps and the words they choose to define. Genesis through Revelation is the same.
6. In the context of Matt 5:18, define "jot", "tittle", and "law".
KJV said:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Tittle=least particle, Jot= iota.
And YOU, not the author from the “copy and paste”, want to know this … why? Did you read these before you copied and pasted?
7. Define "circular argument" and give an example.
Why am I defining that term? What does this have to do with anything?
I will define the term when you define the term “red herring”
8. When you encounter an archaic term or phrase in the KJV, or come across a "contradiction", why do you rely on fallible tools (dictionaries, etc) to interpret the infallible?
Give me an example of an “archaic term or phrase in the KJV” or “contradiction” and then I can show you how the Bible can interpret itself.
9. Suppose you lived in the 10th century. How would you define "preservation" as it related to God's word, so as to not contradict the KJV-only position?
I would not have been allowed to touch the Bible, nor would have possessed the ability to read in the 10th century. The Bible was only allowed to be read and interpreted by a “chosen” few. This is why they call it “The Dark Ages”
10. The KJV came out in 1611. Where was the "final authority" in 1610 and prior? Explain.
In the received text found in the Peshitta Bible would have been one of the first.

I have answered your questions. I will not respond until you have done the same with your (someone else’s) Ten Questions.
Peace and truth be with you. :prayer:
 
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TwinCrier said:
{TwinCrier shakes head in disgust at ContraMundumb's excessive sarcasm}

ContraMundumb! LOL That's funny, TwinWhiner!

You have to have a sense of humour to survive CF, so I don't mind your quip about my nick.

BTW- I only use the KJV myself! I belong to the church that brought it to you. It should have on the cover "This Bible is brought to you by the friendly people at the Church of England, bringing Christ to the British Isles and beyond since the first century AD, and by the product Heretic-be-gone, one swipe with this weapon and the JW's will run from your doorstep".

I like NKJV too.
 
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I love my KJV Bible. But I'm not one who is a KJV only endorser. It is just that I was raised on the KJV, it is the version I feel most comfortable with, it is the one that I read. Therefore that is why I use the KJV.
 
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One thing that I've noticed in forums such as this is that the most important issue is rarely raised and even more rarely given any credo by the readers. That issue is the Greek text from which modern translations are translated from. The sad fact is that in the 1880's a new greek text was derived by Westcott & Hort primarily from two very old manuscripts Codex Sinaiticus and Codes Vaticanus. Dean Burgon devoted his life to exposing the dreadful corruptions and deficiencies of these texts. These manuscripts were so different from each other that Westcott & Hort had to invent a whole lot of rules adapted from modern textual criticism to decide for themselves which reading they were going to select. T

The result was the Critical Text from which all modern translations are sourced. The resulting Greek Text is very corrupt. Many thousands of words were omitted from this manuscript as compared to the Textus Receptus. Even entire verses and passages of the bible are missing from this Critical Text. Very few people take the time to research the monstrous thing that was done to the reputation and quality of the scripture back in the 1880's most people don't care and don't think it is an issue.

The guy who wrote the list of ten questios certainly has not researched the issue. Most of the questions are infantile. They also attack the most extreme KJV-Onlyist argument assuming that if that can be shot down in flames that all KJV-Only arguments are defeated. This is a standard technique of debaters and politicians.
By attacking extreme and ridiculous arguments on the opposing side the debaters seeks to discredit the opponent. The opponent will spend so much time defending himself against the stupid accusations that he will never get a chance to present the weighty and sensible arguments.

1. Is/was the Latin Vulgate the word of God? Why or why not?
The church in the west used this as their Bible up until the 14th century even after the Latin language died out. If the Latin Vulgate was not the word of God then the church in the west did not have a Bible for over 1400 years. Would God leave his servants without a Bible?
2. Is/was the Septuagint (LXX) the word of God? why or why not?

Same argument as above. This question attacks an extreme and ridiculous KJV-Only argument that the KJV is the only inspired bible that there ever was. The LXX was the Greek translation of the Old Testament which was used by the early church and many of the apostles. This is the Bible that Paul would have referred to when he said " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "
3. Is/was the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, Matthew's, Tyndale's, etc. the word of God? Why or why not?
Same argument as above. All of these were excellent translations from the Textus Receptus. If these were not the word of God, then English Christians did not have a Bible.
4. Which edition (year) of the KJV is uncorrupted? Why do they differ, even occasionally in words? (And if your response has to do with printing problems, why would God inspire a perfect translation only to have it corrupted by the printers? The common people would still be lacking an uncorrupt word of God.)
This is a shameful leading question which makes the reader assume that there is a corrupted version of the KJV. Most of thousands of corrections (as they are inappropriately called) to the KJV in the various editions were as a result of dramatic changes to the spelling of words during the period of the KJV. The most dramatic change in the history of the KJV which caused a huge storm of protest in the last edition was a change in the book of Nahum from Nahum 3:16 Where the cankerworm no longer fleeth but instead did flieth. Hardly to be compared to the corrections which the modern translations deem to make.

5. Who publishes the uncorrupted KJV? Cambride, Oxford, Kirkbride, Scofield, AMG, Zondervan, one of the Bible Societies, or one of the many other publishers? Why do they differ slightly, even occasionally in words?
Emphasis on the words "Differ slightly" and Oh so very slightly. Please provide examples of these slight difference. What a contrast between the modern translations which all have to differ from one another by up to 15% in order to obtain a copyright licence. Did you know that Zondervan is now owned by Rupert Murdoch publishing. Do we really want the Bible in the hands of commercial interests?
6. In the context of Matt 5:18, define "jot", "tittle", and "law".
What is the question? Is there a problem being inferred here which the modern translations correct? In no way. The KJV has [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]790,704 words and the NIV has “only” 726,606. Entire passages and words have been scrapped not to mention the jots and tittles.[/FONT]
7. Define "circular argument" and give an example.
This is not a question. Please substitue with something sensible
8. When you encounter an archaic term or phrase in the KJV, or come across a "contradiction", why do you rely on fallible tools (dictionaries, etc) to interpret the infallible?
I'm not sure what the point is here. Is this an argument to say that the KJV is not infallible or that no bibles are infallible. The most fallible interpreting tool is the human brain.
9. Suppose you lived in the 10th century. How would you define "preservation" as it related to God's word, so as to not contradict the KJV-only position?
As in points above. God's word was preserved in the Old Latin, LXX, Great, Bishops and in the last several hundred years the KJV. This question also assumes the most ridiculous KJV-Only argument.
10. The KJV came out in 1611. Where was the "final authority" in 1610 and prior? Explain.

Any of the above translations would suffice as the final authority. This assumes that there were major theological contradictions and gross disparities between the old English Bibles. This was not the case. The differences were trivial and minor usually spellling or order of words.
 
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PaladinDoodler said:
Yes and you also have the ones who literally worship the Bible. Believe it or not, I saw someone in the Baptist/Anabaptist forum the other day say that the Bible is God! :eek: Now that my friends, is idolatry!
Please point us to that post. I find it hard to believe.
 
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PaladinDoodler said:
Yes and you also have the ones who literally worship the Bible. Believe it or not, I saw someone in the Baptist/Anabaptist forum the other day say that the Bible is God! :eek: Now that my friends, is idolatry!
You, and those who pointed this fine young woman out should be ashamed of yourselves! Do you pick on the homeless too?
 
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