1 Peter 3

[granpa]

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1 Peter 3 (YLT)
18 because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit,
19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,

20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;
21 also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him

This is a difficult passage. It seems quite clear that he is talking about the Ark.
Could it be:

an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water;
The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth.
Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

Sounds like the spiritual counterpart of the ark preserves the flesh by preventing the flesh from being immersed
and has something to do with the resurrection of Jesus

But I dont speak ancient greek so I cant be sure what it is saying


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[juvenissun]

1 Peter 3 (YLT)
18 because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit,
19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,

20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;
21 also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him

The Spirit of Jesus goes to "the prison" and preaches. This message should be correct by any translation, and it is enough.

Those in the prison are people who did not have chance to believe. There are a lot of them. They will face the GWT judgement, when the time is up. They do not have chance to be in the Heaven (the New Jerusalem) any more. But they still have chance NOT to be sentenced to the Lake of Fire.

That is why Jesus wants to preach to them. Except Jesus, nobody can do that.

 

[granpa]

physical water baptism symbolizes spiritual water baptism.
the scripture makes it clear that water baptism alone is not sufficient for salvation.
But it does appear that spiritual water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit are both required.

Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying,
If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. (Spiritual Water)
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 But this spake he of that spirit which they that believe on him were about to receive (at that feast)
(which has to be a reference to spiritual water not to the Holy Spirit)
for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.


I would not recommend that anyone rush into any baptism.
You need to know exactly what you are getting yourself into

 

[SG9]

physical water baptism symbolizes spiritual water baptism.
the scripture makes it clear that water baptism alone is not sufficient for salvation.
But it does appear that spiritual water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit are both required.



37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying,
If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. (Spiritual Water)
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of that spirit which they that believe on him were about to receive (at that feast)
(which has to be a reference to spiritual water not of the Holy Spirit) for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


I would not recommend that anyone rush into any baptism.
You need to know exactly what you are getting yourself into

The passages are describing Christ in another parallel, and this can be depicted in the Wedding ceremony. Keep it in context and you should see just where Jesus is in this parable.

The whole idea is for God to Wed the Bride, and Christ is the Son being given away in marriage to all whom come to be His Bride. Christ speaks out even then among non believers and reveals himself as the Lord. He made the final call to invite. In the scene of the passages there stands Christ at the Altar as the Bridegroom, while he awaits the Bride to be "caught up" to the Altar, and she does after the Bridegroom is committed and worthy to Wed the Bride.

The Bridegroom is not yet glorified until after the Wedding, and then the wife also will have the Holy Spirit. The scripture says that the spirit speaks through the Bridegroom in other words, Christ and anyone may have the HS before being glorified.

Thanks

 

[granpa]

sounds like we are supposed to build a spiritual ark before we get baptized with spiritual water

 

[hedrick]

When the NT cites OT passages they may not intend us to make all aspects of the passage into an exact allegory. That is, the author might have intended no more than for the image of the ark in the water to remind us of baptism. Trying to ask whether we need to do something like building an ark before baptism sounds to me like trying to get more detail out of the image than the author intended.

As to other meanings, interpretations of this passage go all over the map. Unfortunately the content of Christ's preaching isn't specified, nor is the real identify of the "spirits." Various people understand that he was telling them that their doom is finally upon them, or that he was giving them an opportunity to repent. I would suggest that you not hang any very important doctrine on this passage.

 

[granpa]

its almost starting to sound to me like the ark represents the Holy Spirit.
And that you need to be baptized by the Holy Spirit in order to get a spiritual ark
in order to undergo the spiritual baptism of spiritual water (without getting wet)


and that also would explain the connection with the resurrection of Jesus.

an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water;
The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth.
Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,