1 john 3:6

[heterodoxical]

I'm really how most of you, whom are conservative by nature, would explain this verse. I'm not looking for opinions, Lord knows there are enough of those. But, rather, an explanation showing context and symmetry with the rest of the book and bible.

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NASB1Jo 3:6No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

 

[abysmul]

IMHO: Taken in the context of scripture as a whole, I think it's clear he's talking about someone knowingly practicing a sinful lifestyle. We all sin.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It means when a person recieves Christ into their heart by way of the Holy Spirit, they sin no more. Because that sinful nature is put to death with the putting off of the old fleshy minded man.

 

[heterodoxical]

But, in chapter 1 3-7 John said he was in fellowship with God, meaning he walked in the light as CHRIST does and there is no darkness in him. That doesn't sound like he admitted to sin to me.

The people he wrote to, weren't yet in fellowship and he was trying to help them get there. Or, so he says.

And the part, no one who sins has seen or known him... that means you can't sin sometimes, and not sometimes and claim to know him sometimes and not sometimes.

In vs 9, after the conjunction, it's a HARD NO SINNING, reading NOT SIN. PERIOD. as in not allowed, or prevented from.

 

[heterodoxical]

It means when a person recieves Christ into their heart by way of the Holy Spirit, they sin no more. Because that sinful nature is put to death with the putting off of the old fleshy minded man.

btw, thanks for entering the discussion.

 

[heterodoxical]

It means when a person recieves Christ into their heart by way of the Holy Spirit, they sin no more. Because that sinful nature is put to death with the putting off of the old fleshy minded man.

Well, I agree with that 100%, because that's what I read time and again.

So you would agree that some point after salvation, the 'man' is made mature and can't do things that would be a sin?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In order to be saved a man must be born again of the Holy Spirit. When this happens a man is then given a new heart and mind that is in the image of his Creator. It is Christ working in you that will give you the strength to overcome the sinful fleshy man that dwells inside.

When the light of the Lord enters into the man, then the darkness will soon start to flee. If you truly believe in God, and desire to walk in righteousness, all you have to do is ask the Lord to come into your heart. And to also ask the Father to recieve his Holy Spirit to guide you. Just believe.

 

[heterodoxical]

Well, again, I agree with that. Romans 6:22 shows, however, that you are atoned for, earlier than you are sanctified. So this still shows it doesn't happen at the altar call, but later as a maturation thing, yes?

And would you agree, if the Spirit is in the person they are no longer in the flesh? And that they no longer CAN sin. Not just that the sins are forgiven, but incapable of sin...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That is correct, when a person is really and truly ( in Christ) they will sin no more. This is because Christ is not the author of sin, but of righteousness. That is also how you can tell the good (fruit bearing) trees from the thorns and thistles, if you know what I mean.

Jesus said you shall know a tree by the fruit that it bears.

 

[heterodoxical]

well, I'm shocked. I see it the same way, but usually when I find someone repeating back to me what you have, they have some funky idea that things they do that were a sin before the altar call, aren't a sin now. So in effect they are still sinning but consider that they aren't sins anymore, for...... heck I dunno how they get there.

Since I still sin, I can't say I know Him. Since I still sin, I'm not yet born of God. Since I still sin I'm not yet in fellowship with God. Since I still sin, I do not yet walk in the Spirit. Since I still have a sinful nature, I am not indwelled by the Spirit. Those are my claims.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You are closer to the Kingdom than you know. Peace

 

[heterodoxical]

You are closer to the Kingdom than you know. Peace

I take the Paulinian approach. I don't pet the swetty stuff, I just run the race. It's HIS to change me.

And you know you killed this. I should have got lots more fight from this than I will now.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Quote by InSpiritInTruth
That is correct, when a person is really and truly ( in Christ) they will sin no more. This is because Christ is not the author of sin, but of righteousness. That is also how you can tell the good (fruit bearing) trees from the thorns and thistles, if you know what I mean.

Jesus said you shall know a tree by the fruit that it bears.

That sounds real good but that is not reality!

It is a great goal to pursue but God knows that his children that have come to belive in Christ will fall from time to time and will need Christ to forgive us. That is not my opinion but it is what is written in God’s word in 1st John 2 (see reprint below)
1 John 2

1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Hetrodoxical, you need not be convinced that you are not a child of God and saved by your faith in Christ just because you are honest and admit that you sin.

 

[heterodoxical]

IMHO: Taken in the context of scripture as a whole, I think it's clear he's talking about someone knowingly practicing a sinful lifestyle. We all sin.

I think if you take JOHN'S epistle as a whole it's very consistent, that he is showing a mature believer can't sin.
I can go for hours on this if you want a perspective.

 

[heterodoxical]

That sounds real good but that is not reality!

I'm still waiting, are you going to back this claim up or not? The verse below you doesn't show anything remotely close to your claim. In fact all of chapter 1, 3:6, 3:9, 4:16-18, 5:18 state exactly the opposite of your claim. The verse does not say you will sin forever. If it meant that, it would say WHEN YOU SIN, not IF YOU SIN.

And it overlooks chapter 1 where John showed he no longer sins.
And that he's writing the letter to people that still do and aren't yet in fellowship with God.

It is a great goal to pursue but God knows that his children that have come to belive in Christ will fall from time to time and will need Christ to forgive us.

So, now you tell God what to believe, when His bible says otherwise. That's impressive, big brass ones.

That is not my opinion but it is what is written in God’s word in 1st John 2 (see reprint below)

YOUR OPINION is not supported by the verse, I've shown this author stating the exact opposite of your attempted apology to justify your sins.

1 John 2

1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Hetrodoxical, you need not be convinced that you are not a child of God and saved by your faith in Christ just because you are honest and admit that you sin.

Speaking of which, I can't claim to know Him or be IN him if I still sin, that is what 3:6 says.

I can't claim to be born of God if I still sin, that is what 3:9 and 5:18 says.

I can't claim to be in fellowship with Him if I still sin/walk in the darkness and not in the light as HE does, that's what chapter 1 says. WOW, it's a consistent message of John. But you claim to know better.

If you claim to be IN HIM and still sin, you call John a liar. Point blank. Your attempt to show 2:1a as a contradiction, still doesn't address how it makes that the right verse and 3:9 the wrong one. In fact you don't address 3:9 at all, you evade it.

You've shownnothing other than a willingness to justify sin.

As I asked, I'm seekign some substance... not opinions...