1 Corinthians 12:3?

[Jamdoc]

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So, we know that there are people who are not true believers, we know there are false converts. We know there are those who as Jesus taught in the Parable of the sower (Matthew 13) either get caught up with the weeds and brambles, worldly concerns, and those who start sprouting in stony ground and have no root and so they fall away at tribulation.
But how does it reconcile with this?
Where Paul seems to say that (Consistent with Romans 10:9-10) that confessing that Jesus is Lord (and believing it in their heart) that they're saved, and filled with the Holy Ghost, and that it is apparently impossible to even confess it without the Holy Ghost.

Does it mean that the apostates and lukewarm and worldly Christians who confessed Jesus is Lord are saved and have the Holy Spirit, despite their apostasy, and despite their worldliness?

Does it mean that one can be filled with the holy ghost at one point and then lose it due to apostasy? So they were at one point in time saved, when they confessed Jesus as Lord, and then lost it?

Does it perhaps mean that if they went apostate, they were merely prodigal sons and God will bring them back, so it's a bit of a detour but if they confessed Jesus as Lord they will eventually be saved? (Personally I kind of lean to this because it has been my experience, God can snap you back like a bungie cord). Because the language of Romans 10:9-10 does not say that if you confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead that they are saved but they will be saved, future tense. It's still a guarantee, similar to OSAS, but in effect, has God doing a work on you over time, and if you stray, God makes sure you come back to the fold, probably with nipped heels.

Now.. there's a caveat that must be made here. The "sinner's prayer" doesn't always call Jesus Lord, it doesn't always affirm Him as the Son of God and God come in the flesh.
So someone could "ask Jesus into their heart" without really knowing and believing who Jesus really is. That could be a false conversion experience.

It's just a little confusing because we know there are tares, but wouldn't the tares have confessed Jesus as Lord?
Is it maybe specific that not only is Jesus Lord and Christ King, but it is specifically that they have to believe that Jesus is God Incarnate, not just "Lord" but "The Lord"?
Cause there are many professing Christians that will confess Jesus as Lord and Christ as King but not believe that Jesus is actually God Himself incarnate?

1 John 4 does make that distinction

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

For example Muslims will profess that Jesus (who they refer to as Isa, son of Maryam, PBUH) is the Messiah.. but they will fervently deny He is God come in the flesh.

anyway, what do you think?

 

[dqhall]

So, we know that there are people who are not true believers, we know there are false converts. We know there are those who as Jesus taught in the Parable of the sower (Matthew 13) either get caught up with the weeds and brambles, worldly concerns, and those who start sprouting in stony ground and have no root and so they fall away at tribulation.
But how does it reconcile with this?
Where Paul seems to say that (Consistent with Romans 10:9-10) that confessing that Jesus is Lord (and believing it in their heart) that they're saved, and filled with the Holy Ghost, and that it is apparently impossible to even confess it without the Holy Ghost.

Does it mean that the apostates and lukewarm and worldly Christians who confessed Jesus is Lord are saved and have the Holy Spirit, despite their apostasy, and despite their worldliness?

Does it mean that one can be filled with the holy ghost at one point and then lose it due to apostasy? So they were at one point in time saved, when they confessed Jesus as Lord, and then lost it?

Does it perhaps mean that if they went apostate, they were merely prodigal sons and God will bring them back, so it's a bit of a detour but if they confessed Jesus as Lord they will eventually be saved? (Personally I kind of lean to this because it has been my experience, God can snap you back like a bungie cord). Because the language of Romans 10:9-10 does not say that if you confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead that they are saved but they will be saved, future tense. It's still a guarantee, similar to OSAS, but in effect, has God doing a work on you over time, and if you stray, God makes sure you come back to the fold, probably with nipped heels.

Now.. there's a caveat that must be made here. The "sinner's prayer" doesn't always call Jesus Lord, it doesn't always affirm Him as the Son of God and God come in the flesh.
So someone could "ask Jesus into their heart" without really knowing and believing who Jesus really is. That could be a false conversion experience.

It's just a little confusing because we know there are tares, but wouldn't the tares have confessed Jesus as Lord?
Is it maybe specific that not only is Jesus Lord and Christ King, but it is specifically that they have to believe that Jesus is God Incarnate, not just "Lord" but "The Lord"?
Cause there are many professing Christians that will confess Jesus as Lord and Christ as King but not believe that Jesus is actually God Himself incarnate?

1 John 4 does make that distinction


For example Muslims will profess that Jesus (who they refer to as Isa, son of Maryam, PBUH) is the Messiah.. but they will fervently deny He is God come in the flesh.

anyway, what do you think?

While I am a sinner, I read the Gospels as many times as sometimes a verse came to mind and I looked it up.

Matthew 7:21 (from Sermon on the Mount) Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

There is another saying of Jesus. Matthew 22:14, “Many are called, but few are chosen.”

God is real and can pray to people. When I was 22 and lost, I started to read about God and seek divine intervention in prayer. I was healed of a smoking habit. A woman’s voice in my head kept telling me, “You must never smoke another cigarette as long as you live.” The inner voice seemed to be sent from God. Another time I read about a doctor who lived to be 104. He did not smoke or drink alcohol. This made me reduce alcohol consumption. Other times I read that alcohol is a carcinogen and a neurotoxin. Excessive alcohol consumption is a leading cause of early onset dementia. I had already reduced alcohol consumption, but these readings helped me abstain more. My consumption of alcohol has been reduced to less than a serving per week. There is no alcohol in my house.

I was injured and broke my hip. The surgery failed. I saw the governor of Texas in a wheelchair on TV. He was paralyzed from the waist down when a tree fell on him during a week when he was studying for the bar exam to become a lawyer. He became the attorney general of Texas, a Texas Supreme Court justice, then governor of Texas. There remains a faint flicker of hope for salvation in spite of shortcomings.

 

[Carl Emerson]

When Jesus interpreted the parable he explained the Field was the world.

Keeping that in mind the tares are not only in the church...

 

[HTacianas]

So, we know that there are people who are not true believers, we know there are false converts. We know there are those who as Jesus taught in the Parable of the sower (Matthew 13) either get caught up with the weeds and brambles, worldly concerns, and those who start sprouting in stony ground and have no root and so they fall away at tribulation.
But how does it reconcile with this?
Where Paul seems to say that (Consistent with Romans 10:9-10) that confessing that Jesus is Lord (and believing it in their heart) that they're saved, and filled with the Holy Ghost, and that it is apparently impossible to even confess it without the Holy Ghost.

Does it mean that the apostates and lukewarm and worldly Christians who confessed Jesus is Lord are saved and have the Holy Spirit, despite their apostasy, and despite their worldliness?

Does it mean that one can be filled with the holy ghost at one point and then lose it due to apostasy? So they were at one point in time saved, when they confessed Jesus as Lord, and then lost it?

Does it perhaps mean that if they went apostate, they were merely prodigal sons and God will bring them back, so it's a bit of a detour but if they confessed Jesus as Lord they will eventually be saved? (Personally I kind of lean to this because it has been my experience, God can snap you back like a bungie cord). Because the language of Romans 10:9-10 does not say that if you confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead that they are saved but they will be saved, future tense. It's still a guarantee, similar to OSAS, but in effect, has God doing a work on you over time, and if you stray, God makes sure you come back to the fold, probably with nipped heels.

Now.. there's a caveat that must be made here. The "sinner's prayer" doesn't always call Jesus Lord, it doesn't always affirm Him as the Son of God and God come in the flesh.
So someone could "ask Jesus into their heart" without really knowing and believing who Jesus really is. That could be a false conversion experience.

It's just a little confusing because we know there are tares, but wouldn't the tares have confessed Jesus as Lord?
Is it maybe specific that not only is Jesus Lord and Christ King, but it is specifically that they have to believe that Jesus is God Incarnate, not just "Lord" but "The Lord"?
Cause there are many professing Christians that will confess Jesus as Lord and Christ as King but not believe that Jesus is actually God Himself incarnate?

1 John 4 does make that distinction


For example Muslims will profess that Jesus (who they refer to as Isa, son of Maryam, PBUH) is the Messiah.. but they will fervently deny He is God come in the flesh.

anyway, what do you think?

You seem to have two questions. The first being what becomes of an apostate, the second being, in sum, which Jesus should one believe in. The second -which Jesus should one believe in- has been around since the beginning of Christianity. There were gnostics who appropriated the Jesus of Christianity but then colored him over to fit with their ideas of all matter being evil. In order to make Jesus fit into that idea they taught that Jesus had no material body but was a spirit having only the appearance of a physical body. That Jesus was addressed in 2 John:

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Note that not only that Jesus had in fact appeared, but had appeared in the flesh, in the flesh being the important part. That statement is aimed directly at those who taught that Jesus had no flesh but was a only a spirit. That particular heresy caused serious problems for Islam later, but that's a different story.

In total, all of these ancient heresies are refuted by the Nicene Creed, one by one. The gnostics taught that there were two gods, one who created the invisible spirit realm and a lesser god who created the material physical world. The Creed begins, "We believe in one God, creator of all things visible and invisible...". Next "And in one Lord Jesus Christ..." Each line of the Creed refutes a particular heresy that cropped up over time. So to believe in the "right Jesus" one must believe in the Jesus of the Nicene Creed.

Your second question is "what becomes of an apostate". Or maybe "does an apostate even truly exist". The answer is yes, an apostate does exist and is one who leaves the faith after becoming a Christian. These people are truly Christians just as any other Christian but they choose -for whatever reasons- to later reject the faith. The short answer is they go on to condemnation just as anyone else might fall into condemnation. The new testament is quite severe towards apostates, see:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Note that these are those who have been enlightened, meaning to have learned the truth of the gospel. Then "have tasted the heavenly gift"; to participate in the Eucharist. And have been "made partakers of the Holy Spirit"; to be chrismated and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. They are Christians by every definition but then "fall away". For those who fall away it is impossible for them to return.

If you hold to the idea of sola scriptura that is your answer. An apostate falls into condemnation cannot return to salvation. That categorically refutes the idea of "once saved always saved" which is an idea that stems from Calvinism but its Calvinist origins have been watered down over time.

 

[Jamdoc]

You seem to have two questions. The first being what becomes of an apostate, the second being, in sum, which Jesus should one believe in. The second -which Jesus should one believe in- has been around since the beginning of Christianity. There were gnostics who appropriated the Jesus of Christianity but then colored him over to fit with their ideas of all matter being evil. In order to make Jesus fit into that idea they taught that Jesus had no material body but was a spirit having only the appearance of a physical body. That Jesus was addressed in 2 John:

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Note that not only that Jesus had in fact appeared, but had appeared in the flesh, in the flesh being the important part. That statement is aimed directly at those who taught that Jesus had no flesh but was a only a spirit. That particular heresy caused serious problems for Islam later, but that's a different story.

In total, all of these ancient heresies are refuted by the Nicene Creed, one by one. The gnostics taught that there were two gods, one who created the invisible spirit realm and a lesser god who created the material physical world. The Creed begins, "We believe in one God, creator of all things visible and invisible...". Next "And in one Lord Jesus Christ..." Each line of the Creed refutes a particular heresy that cropped up over time. So to believe in the "right Jesus" one must believe in the Jesus of the Nicene Creed.

Your second question is "what becomes of an apostate". Or maybe "does an apostate even truly exist". The answer is yes, an apostate does exist and is one who leaves the faith after becoming a Christian. These people are truly Christians just as any other Christian but they choose -for whatever reasons- to later reject the faith. The short answer is they go on to condemnation just as anyone else might fall into condemnation. The new testament is quite severe towards apostates, see:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Note that these are those who have been enlightened, meaning to have learned the truth of the gospel. Then "have tasted the heavenly gift"; to participate in the Eucharist. And have been "made partakers of the Holy Spirit"; to be chrismated and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. They are Christians by every definition but then "fall away". For those who fall away it is impossible for them to return.

If you hold to the idea of sola scriptura that is your answer. An apostate falls into condemnation cannot return to salvation. That categorically refutes the idea of "once saved always saved" which is an idea that stems from Calvinism but its Calvinist origins have been watered down over time.

Well wasn't really debating about which Jesus to believe. outside of those who are not in orthodox belief in the divinity of Christ, I'd assume anyone here would get that the divinity of Christ is an essential.

as to what happens to apostates, I don't know if I can agree with the position that they're unrecoverable.
Because I've left the church for years, but came back, and I've heard of that happening to others as well. They may switch denominations, it may have been a particular church or denomination that chased them out, they leave for years, then find themselves coming back to God, possibly through a new denomination, if that makes sense. I went from mostly non denominational and 4 square .. to Baptist. Jesus' parable of the prodigal son is what comes out to me the most. To be a prodigal son, you have to have first been a son, then depart, live in sin, be chastised in bad circumstances, then return to the Father, who welcomes you back.

 

[HTacianas]

Well wasn't really debating about which Jesus to believe. outside of those who are not in orthodox belief in the divinity of Christ, I'd assume anyone here would get that the divinity of Christ is an essential.

as to what happens to apostates, I don't know if I can agree with the position that they're unrecoverable.
Because I've left the church for years, but came back, and I've heard of that happening to others as well. They may switch denominations, it may have been a particular church or denomination that chased them out, they leave for years, then find themselves coming back to God, possibly through a new denomination, if that makes sense. I went from mostly non denominational and 4 square .. to Baptist. Jesus' parable of the prodigal son is what comes out to me the most. To be a prodigal son, you have to have first been a son, then depart, live in sin, be chastised in bad circumstances, then return to the Father, who welcomes you back.

The story of the prodigal son is central to Jesus's mission to the Jews. He was sent to seek "the lost". See Luke:

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

The lost were those who had strayed from Judaism. Conventional wisdom of the time had it that once a person strayed from Judaism they were in fact lost and they could never return. That's the reason the Pharisees and Scribes spoke against Jesus for "eating and drinking with sinners", see Mark 2:16. There is no mention of someone returning to Judaism and then turning away again.

All that being said, we are still faced with Hebrews 6.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Does it mean that the apostates and lukewarm and worldly Christians who confessed Jesus is Lord are saved and have the Holy Spirit, despite their apostasy, and despite their worldliness?

A full study of this word brings clarity.
G3670 - homologeō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
homologeo [G3670] to form an agreement with another, and speak the same words i.e. Truth.
Therefore, no one can speak words of Truth except by the Spirit of Truth. Much more than repeating a sinners prayer, it is to walk as He walked, in the same Spirit of agreement with the Father. Several of your questions are answered with this one verse.
Titus 1:16 They profess (homologeo) to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

There has never been, nor will there ever be disagreement between Paul and James, or with any other word of God for those who know Him.
James 2:
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Faith plus works equals proof.
2 Corinthians 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

2 Corinthians 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.

2 Corinthians is Paul's "prove me" letter, where he
refutes the need for him to provide letters of commendation, which Aquila and Prisilla had written from Ephesus on behalf of Apollos, before sending him to Corinth. Acts 18:27
I will write a more thorough word study for homologeo today, but suffice that 1 Corinthians 12:3 is much more than a sinners prayer, it is our daily bread, of speaking as Christ, by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Before anyone can speak in agreement with the Lord, they must learn the power of silence.
Isaiah 41:1 Keep silent before me, O coastlands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.

 

[Jamdoc]

The story of the prodigal son is central to Jesus's mission to the Jews. He was sent to seek "the lost". See Luke:

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

The lost were those who had strayed from Judaism. Conventional wisdom of the time had it that once a person strayed from Judaism they were in fact lost and they could never return. That's the reason the Pharisees and Scribes spoke against Jesus for "eating and drinking with sinners", see Mark 2:16. There is no mention of someone returning to Judaism and then turning away again.

All that being said, we are still faced with Hebrews 6.

Well people do return to Jesus, and if that's impossible I guess we'd all better jump off buildings or blow our brains out because it's futile by your doctrine.

cause I can say there are a lot of people who grow up in the faith, partake in the ordinances, then reach young adulthood, find themselves going prodigal, and then come back to God when the world has disappointed them.
You're saying all those people are condemned and their return is in vain, there is no redemption for them.

 

[Jamdoc]

A full study of this word brings clarity.
G3670 - homologeō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
homologeo [G3670] to form an agreement with another, and speak the same words i.e. Truth.
Therefore, no one can speak words of Truth except by the Spirit of Truth. Much more than repeating a sinners prayer, it is to walk as He walked, in the same Spirit of agreement with the Father. Several of your questions are answered with this one verse.
Titus 1:16 They profess (homologeo) to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

There has never been, nor will there ever be disagreement between Paul and James, or with any other word of God for those who know Him.
James 2:
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Faith plus works equals proof.
2 Corinthians 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

2 Corinthians 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.

2 Corinthians is Paul's "prove me" letter, where he
refutes the need for him to provide letters of commendation, which Aquila and Prisilla had written from Ephesus on behalf of Apollos, before sending him to Corinth. Acts 18:27
I will write a more thorough word study for homologeo today, but suffice that 1 Corinthians 12:3 is much more than a sinners prayer, it is our daily bread, of speaking as Christ, by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Before anyone can speak in agreement with the Lord, they must learn the power of silence.
Isaiah 41:1 Keep silent before me, O coastlands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.

Well Romans 10 said confess with thy mouth, not thy works.

 

[HTacianas]

Well people do return to Jesus, and if that's impossible I guess we'd all better jump off buildings or blow our brains out because it's futile by your doctrine.

cause I can say there are a lot of people who grow up in the faith, partake in the ordinances, then reach young adulthood, find themselves going prodigal, and then come back to God when the world has disappointed them.
You're saying all those people are condemned and their return is in vain, there is no redemption for them.

First, notice that I am not saying anything at all. I am merely repeating what is written in the bible. And none of that is my doctrine. I did not create it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

First, notice that I am not saying anything at all. I am merely repeating what is written in the bible. And none of that is my doctrine. I did not create it.

How you select and present scripture is a doctrine...

 

[HTacianas]

How you select and present scripture is a doctrine...

Doctrines are the teachings of the Church. And I am familiar with the teachings of the Church and also the history of those teachings. But for now we are talking about what is written in the bible. And these are the parts written in plain language not needing a lot of interpretation.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Doctrines are the teachings of the Church. And I am familiar with the teachings of the Church and also the history of those teachings. But for now we are talking about what is written in the bible. And these are the parts written in plain language not needing a lot of interpretation.

All parts of the Bible need the Holy Spirit to interpret.

 

[Jamdoc]

First, notice that I am not saying anything at all. I am merely repeating what is written in the bible. And none of that is my doctrine. I did not create it.

The doctrine is based on your understanding of the scripture more than just the text, and when you take those verses out of context, you can come to a false interpretation of those verses, as I believe you have.

Context for Hebrews 6:4-6, is Hebrews 6:1-3

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

What's it talking about here? WHO IS HE TALKING TO HERE?
Hebrews, Jews, people who practice the law, the old testament law.
The author (who could be Paul, but it is of course debated since the letter itself is anonymous, but I suppose the human author is inconsequential), is saying that if you are an old testament law practicing Jew, repent, turn to Christ, enjoy salvation from the law, knowing that Christ has fulfilled it for you, then you decide, "I need to obey the law, the law says I have to do x, y and z, I need to sacrifice turtle doves in the temple, I need to bring a bullock for sacrifice to atone for my sin".. well then, how are you going to get back to Christ if you've decided that it is practicing the law that saves?

It's about going back to the Torah, and let's put it clear, it doesn't mean that you don't obey God's laws, the Law of the Lord is perfect, you obey the moral laws of God, but the sacrificial atonements, you don't do those anymore, one sacrifice for all has atoned for you.

 

[HTacianas]

The doctrine is based on your understanding of the scripture more than just the text, and when you take those verses out of context, you can come to a false interpretation of those verses, as I believe you have.

Context for Hebrews 6:4-6, is Hebrews 6:1-3

What's it talking about here? WHO IS HE TALKING TO HERE?
Hebrews, Jews, people who practice the law, the old testament law.
The author (who could be Paul, but it is of course debated since the letter itself is anonymous, but I suppose the human author is inconsequential), is saying that if you are an old testament law practicing Jew, repent, turn to Christ, enjoy salvation from the law, knowing that Christ has fulfilled it for you, then you decide, "I need to obey the law, the law says I have to do x, y and z, I need to sacrifice turtle doves in the temple, I need to bring a bullock for sacrifice to atone for my sin".. well then, how are you going to get back to Christ if you've decided that it is practicing the law that saves?

It's about going back to the Torah, and let's put it clear, it doesn't mean that you don't obey God's laws, the Law of the Lord is perfect, you obey the moral laws of God, but the sacrificial atonements, you don't do those anymore, one sacrifice for all has atoned for you.

The writer is addressing his audience in the form of a lecture. He speaks on the assumption that the audience is already familiar with the principles of Christ and says "leaving aside the principles", as in "we are leaving aside the basics in order to progress further" and "this we will do if God permits". He then goes on "It is impossible...", then describes Christians. He is not talking about Jews. If he was talking about Jews he would not describe them as those who "have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit".

Why would a Christian writer describe Jews as those who "have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit"?

 

[HTacianas]

All parts of the Bible need the Holy Spirit to interpret.

So would that lead one to believe that it means something other than what it says?

 

[Jamdoc]

The writer is addressing his audience in the form of a lecture. He speaks on the assumption that the audience is already familiar with the principles of Christ and says "leaving aside the principles", as in "we are leaving aside the basics in order to progress further" and "this we will do if God permits". He then goes on "It is impossible...", then describes Christians. He is not talking about Jews. If he was talking about Jews he would not describe them as those who "have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit".

Why would a Christian writer describe Jews as those who "have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit"?

Because the letter is to Jews who converted to Christianity, but can be pressured to fall back into Judaism.
I mean even Peter was trying to push circumcision on the gentiles until Paul rebuked him.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So would that lead one to believe that it means something other than what it says?

At times yes for sure...