1 Charismatic Deception: Knights of Malta

[speakout]

Well, it sounds as though you really don't want to know where the research is, right? You've already made up your mind and don't care to hear anything that doesn't confirm your conspiracy theory.

But you can find the book at Barnes and Noble or Borders or Amazon, I'm pretty sure. And I'm not saying that this idea--Knights Templar created the Masons in order to get back at the Hospillalers--is necessarily correct, only that it is new research that the reviewers thought pretty convincing. No one can say for a certainty where Masonry originated.

Well let us read the encyclopedia of freemasonry- masonry is simply a continuation of the mysteries.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Remember I was involved with the charismatic movement but now they are not hiding that they have an agenda and it is not pleaseant dor christians.

I would be a lot more worried if they WERE hiding it...

 

[speakout]

Agreed. The ancient and honorable Knights Hospitaller date from long before the Freemasons were noted. They won illustrious victories from the time of the First Crusade on through the 16th c. and certainly did good service both in caring for the ill and defending Christianity.

There were two Gnostic Orders Knights Templar and Knights Hospitaller's. One Catholic and another answerable two a hidden order.

 

[Seeking Him]

But why would a prophet join a secret society

Rick Joyner is a part of the new apostolic reformation and the extreme prophetic movement. They are notorious for false prophesies and extra biblical teachings. They claim to see angels all the time and encourage people to contact them.

Rick Joyner's group has a reputation for spiritual abuse an cultishness.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rick Joyner is a part of the new apostolic reformation and the extreme prophetic movement. They are notorious for false prophesies and extra biblical teachings. They claim to see angels all the time and encourage people to contact them.

Rick Joyner's group has a reputation for spiritual abuse an cultishness.

He even looks like a Prophet.

Kewl bongo drums though

YouTube - RICK JOYNER - MORNINGSTAR MADNESS

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Why do a half-dozen other Masonic degrees and orders have the names of various Medieval societies?

Because someone down the line thought it'd be "cool" for the masons. IT's making us talk about it eh?

Conspiracy theory/theorists are fun to read.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Rick Joyner is a part of the new apostolic reformation and the extreme prophetic movement. They are notorious for false prophesies and extra biblical teachings. They claim to see angels all the time and encourage people to contact them.

Rick Joyner's group has a reputation for spiritual abuse an cultishness.

Exactly! They are trying to hype themselves up for recognition. They are a dangerous group, and yes I agree...cultish and liars and their entire agenda is to create a "NEW BREED" of christian, and it seems they've already started in Africa. Google his name and new breed...you'll see what I'm referring too here.

Thanks for listening.

 

[Seeking Him]

He even looks like a Prophet.

Kewl bongo drums though

YouTube - RICK JOYNER - MORNINGSTAR MADNESS

Thanks for the video. Part of the Dominionist belief, (of which he is a part), believes in the "restoration of the tabernacle of david" This involves intense, sometimes frenzied trancelike worship that they say will usher in this move of God of the tabernacle.The worship can go on for hours.

People that go to their meetings say they feel like the music puts them almost into a trance. I went to a church once for a visit and the music so bothered me I has to go into the lobby, but the music was being piped in the lobby I later found out it was a NAR church.

 

[Seeking Him]

Exactly! They are trying to hype themselves up for recognition. They are a dangerous group, and yes I agree...cultish and liars and their entire agenda is to create a "NEW BREED" of christian, and it seems they've already started in Africa. Google his name and new breed...you'll see what I'm referring too here.

Thanks for listening.

If you have ever watched "It's Supernatural" he has New Breed people on alot. Some of the claims they make seem unbelievable and I got the impression they were like some sort of supermen. They feel like they will usher in "the end time move of God".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks for the video. Part of the Dominionist belief, (of which he is a part), believes in the "restoration of the tabernacle of david" This involves intense, sometimes frenzied trancelike worship that they say will usher in this move of God of the tabernacle.The worship can go on for hours.

People that go to their meetings say they feel like the music puts them almost into a trance. I went to a church once for a visit and the music so bothered me I has to go into the lobby, but the music was being piped in the lobby I later found out it was a NAR church.

I also saw the Latter Day Rain and MSOG mentioned in it.

It is ironic because a favorite Bible commentator of mine is also associated with that movement.

Never heard of him doing what Joyner's Sect does though

J Preston Eby, Eby minstry, Eby heresies, Eby writings, Preston Eby, Manifest Sons of God heresy, Latter Rain heresy

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Through those early years Eby kept this so-called "truth" to himself. Later he came into contact with a group known as the "Latter Rain" which had been expelled as heresy from the Pentacostal movement just prior to 1950.

The anti-semitic MSOG movement that Eby claims to govern his ministry incorrectly and boldly appropriates the title "elect" from that of the remnant of Israel described during the Tribulation's Time of Jacob's Trouble, and applies it to themselves in true Replacement Theology fashion.
Eby's writing ministry includes a monthly message titled http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm as well as a number of booklets on various subjects. We discuss this subject below.
Eby attempts to carry the OT priesthood in Israel to the current day church.

This is classical Replacement Theology and incorrectly appropriates the program that God set up for Israel prior to the time of the Cross when Jesus Christ became our priest and mediator between man and God.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Conspiracy theory/theorists are fun to read.

You've got that right. Especially those 9/11 "truthers." Once I got into an arguement with one of them and I totally took his theories apart. He went from cocky to a blithering idiot in a matter of seconds. I had a lot of fun with that.

I don't know a lot about Charismatic churches because I've never been a member of one before. Most of the time when you turn on the TV to a religious program that's usually the type of church you will get so I've seen it that way. Personally it's not my style but I don't think that the majority of them are apostate. Notice that I did say the "majority" of them. Some of them might take on the traits of a cult but I think they are in the minority. I've gotten into my share of fights with people on these boards that claim that this church and its members or that church or denomination and its members aren't Christians and they are all without a doubt going to hell and all of that stuff before. I don't have to name people because if you've been around here long enough you know who they are. I think that kind of thinking is very dangerous and at the very least sectarian and I will challenge them over it. I've heard others say that Charismatics are "lost," things like that and I don't believe that it's true. If that works for somebody, if it gets them closer to God then so be it. It's not my place to tell them that they are wrong. People can be different from you and not be wrong.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

You've got that right. Especially those 9/11 "truthers." Once I got into an arguement with one of them and I totally took his theories apart. He went from cocky to a blithering idiot in a matter of seconds. I had a lot of fun with that.

I don't know a lot about Charismatic churches because I've never been a member of one before. Most of the time when you turn on the TV to a religious program that's usually the type of church you will get so I've seen it that way. Personally it's not my style but I don't think that the majority of them are apostate. Notice that I did say the "majority" of them. Some of them might take on the traits of a cult but I think they are in the minority. I've gotten into my share of fights with people on these boards that claim that this church and its members or that church or denomination and its members aren't Christians and they are all without a doubt going to hell and all of that stuff before. I don't have to name people because if you've been around here long enough you know who they are. I think that kind of thinking is very dangerous and at the very least sectarian and I will challenge them over it. I've heard others say that Charismatics are "lost," things like that and I don't believe that it's true. If that works for somebody, if it gets them closer to God then so be it. It's not my place to tell them that they are wrong. People can be different from you and not be wrong.

I agree...but to what extant of "different" should we draw the line eh?

 

[speakout]

You've got that right. Especially those 9/11 "truthers." Once I got into an arguement with one of them and I totally took his theories apart. He went from cocky to a blithering idiot in a matter of seconds. I had a lot of fun with that.

I don't know a lot about Charismatic churches because I've never been a member of one before. Most of the time when you turn on the TV to a religious program that's usually the type of church you will get so I've seen it that way. Personally it's not my style but I don't think that the majority of them are apostate. Notice that I did say the "majority" of them. Some of them might take on the traits of a cult but I think they are in the minority. I've gotten into my share of fights with people on these boards that claim that this church and its members or that church or denomination and its members aren't Christians and they are all without a doubt going to hell and all of that stuff before. I don't have to name people because if you've been around here long enough you know who they are. I think that kind of thinking is very dangerous and at the very least sectarian and I will challenge them over it. I've heard others say that Charismatics are "lost," things like that and I don't believe that it's true. If that works for somebody, if it gets them closer to God then so be it. It's not my place to tell them that they are wrong. People can be different from you and not be wrong.

I challenge you to take me apart on 9/11, please start a thread.

 

[speakout]

Because someone down the line thought it'd be "cool" for the masons. IT's making us talk about it eh?

Conspiracy theory/theorists are fun to read.

Look you are denoucning rather than show us any proof, what scholarship backs you up?

Was The Knights Templars outlawed by the Pope on Friday 13 October 1307 by Phillipe the beautiful of France for wishing to make France their new Kingdom?

Freemasonry is simply the outward manifestation of the continuation of the Knights Templar order after 400 years underground. The came overground after they were confident that their enemies could not destroy them.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

I agree...but to what extant of "different" should we draw the line eh?

Christianity has a core set of beliefs that mainstream denominations accept as true.

There is a God and a Heaven, and a Satan and hell.

The Bible is the word of God.

Jesus is the Son of God and was born of a Virgin.

Those that believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

It's when a church goes outside of those core beliefs then that's when you have a problem. I'll use the Emergent Church as an example.

 

[speakout]

Christianity has a core set of beliefs that mainstream denominations accept as true.

There is a God and a Heaven, and a Satan and hell.

The Bible is the word of God.

Jesus is the Son of God and was born of a Virgin.

Those that believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

It's when a church goes outside of those core beliefs then that's when you have a problem. I'll use the Emergent Church as an example.

Read Ezekiel 8 and Reveleation 17,18

 

[WisdomTree]

There were two Gnostic Orders Knights Templar and Knights Hospitaller's. One Catholic and another answerable two a hidden order.

I must've lost at least 10 IQ points reading this.