1 Charismatic Deception: Knights of Malta

[speakout]

Rick Joyner straight up lied about the nature of the Knight of Malta.

MorningStar Ministries : Knights of Malta

It is weasy to see that he has lied, let us open the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and the truth will come out.

Rick Joyner we should just look at what his church is called Morning Star ( Stella Martutina) Golden Dawn to se where he is coming fom.

 

[speakout]

Remember I was involved with the charismatic movement but now they are not hiding that they have an agenda and it is not pleaseant dor christians.

 

[speakout]

Look at this link from England

The Hidden Agenda of The Order of the Mustard Seed | Deception Bytes

Look at the symbols of the 24/7 prayer it is amazing, look the penny dropped when I was thrown out of one Charismatic church for speaking on the Book Revelations.

 

[Tonks]

What are you talking about? The Knights Hospitaller have nothing to do with Freemasony.

 

[speakout]

Look please recite the different degrees of the York rite Freemasonry.

Do they have a grandmaster? Do they rise by degrees?

 

[speakout]

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[Sphinx777]

Knights of Saint John



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[speakout]

quick links to the sovereign order

The Unhived Mind -> SMOM COUNCIL - Know thy ENEMY

 

[speakout]

What are you talking about? The Knights Hospitaller have nothing to do with Freemasony.

When the knights templars were outlawed did King of England not turn over their properties to the Knights of St John of Jerusalem?

Are there oaths in the Knights Of St John's of Jerusalem?

 

[archierieus]

What are you talking about? The Knights Hospitaller have nothing to do with Freemasony.

Agreed. The ancient and honorable Knights Hospitaller date from long before the Freemasons were noted. They won illustrious victories from the time of the First Crusade on through the 16th c. and certainly did good service both in caring for the ill and defending Christianity.

 

[speakout]

look Freemasonry is a contiinuation of the ban Knights Templar order because the Knights escaped to Scotland.

Knight Tempalrs were founded in 1110 , i am not sure of the actual date but Knights of Malta were a rival order of Knight Templar.

( In Secret I have said nothing)

 

[speakout]

But why would a prophet join a secret society

 

[Albion]

What are you talking about? The Knights Hospitaller have nothing to do with Freemasony.

Right.

In fact, some recent research has held that Freemasonry was the Knight Templars' final effort against the Hospitallers.

 

[Mankin]

The Freemasons claim their background from the Knight's Templar not the Knights of Saint John.

I have not heard that the two groups were rivals during the Crusades and the time of the Templar's annihialition at the hands of the Catholic Church and some of the monarchs of Christendom.

 

[Albion]

The Freemasons claim their background from the Knight's Templar not the Knights of Saint John.

Your point is appropriate, but the Masons don't normally claim that their descent is from the Knights Templar. I was just saying that some recent research has suggested that they may be the remnant of the Knights Templar after all.

Usually, Masons trace their lineage to the Medieval guilds of stonemasons or, somewhat less clearly, to the builders of Solomon's temple.

 

[speakout]

Right.

In fact, some recent research has held that Freemasonry was the Knight Templars' final effort against the Hospitallers.

Were is this research, it is just a piece of propaganda to put people off the scent.

Are Knight Of Malta a chilvary order?

Do they have oaths,

Do they have rituals?

Do they have knowledge being released by degrees?

Do they have lodges or even yuse lodges used by Freemasons?

Did the help the Nazis escape from Germany?

Where powerful Knights of Malta like Von Papen central in the rise of National Socialism.

Did the red Cross ignore the rise of a Hilter and keep quiet about concentration camps.

Is the Company ( ICA) founded by members by Knights like Donovan?

 

[Albion]

Were is this research, it is just a piece of propaganda to put people off the scent.

Well, it sounds as though you really don't want to know where the research is, right? You've already made up your mind and don't care to hear anything that doesn't confirm your conspiracy theory.

But you can find the book at Barnes and Noble or Borders or Amazon, I'm pretty sure. And I'm not saying that this idea--Knights Templar created the Masons in order to get back at the Hospillalers--is necessarily correct, only that it is new research that the reviewers thought pretty convincing. No one can say for a certainty where Masonry originated.

 

[speakout]

Well, it sounds as though you really don't want to know where the research is, right? You've already made up your mind and don't care to hear anything that doesn't confirm your conspiracy theory.

But you can find the book at Barnes and Noble or Borders or Amazon, I'm pretty sure. And I'm not saying that this idea--Knights Templar created the Masons in order to get back at the Hospillalers--is necessarily correct, only that it is new research that the reviewers thought pretty convincing. No one can say for a certainty where Masonry originated.

SIr No, the difference is that one of the orders was ever outlawed but one was driven underground. Knights of Malta have never been outlawed.

Why is it that york rite 8th degree is Knights of Malta.

 

[Albion]

SIr No, the difference is that one of the orders was ever outlawed but one was driven underground. Knights of Malta have never been outlawed.

That wouldn't make any difference to this discussion.

Why is it that york rite 8th degree is Knights of Malta.

Why do a half-dozen other Masonic degrees and orders have the names of various Medieval societies? The Masons can't be all of them, and the reason most likely is that they are claiming to perpetuate some values, etc. of these older groups. Also, the link you gave us said that particular OSJ isn't connected to the Masons, so I think we just don't see that there's anything to all of this.

 

[speakout]

That wouldn't make any difference to this discussion.


Why do a half-dozen other Masonic degrees and orders have the names of various Medieval societies? The Masons can't be all of them, and the reason most likely is that they are claiming to perpetuate some values, etc. of these older groups. Also, the link you gave us said that particular OSJ isn't connected to the Masons, so I think we just don't see that there's anything to all of this.

The discussion is why would we have a lot of Knights of Malta are leading charismatic churches.