“The Old Way”

[Mr. M]

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus says the Lord: Stand by the roads, and look, and
ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and
find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk in it.

Even before the first Temple fell, Jeremiah proclaimed the call for following
“The Old Way”. Regardless of how orthodox your faith, or how old
you believe your denomination to be, Christianity is not old.
It does teach The Way that follows that ancient path.
Yeshua describes it here:
Matthew 7:
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad the way
that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life,
and there are few who find it.

The Ancient Path is the Way of Enoch, Noah, and Abraham. Men who walked
The Way before The Law was given to Moses and remained undefiled.
How did they walk The Way?
Genesis 26:5 Abraham obeyed My Voice.
He kept My charge,
My commandments,
My statutes,
and My laws.

In what way was Jeremiah, laying the foundation for the Gospel?
Read his words carefully. “Ask for the ancient paths”.
Is that what Yeshua was teaching on the mount?
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you.

 

[GospelS]

The Wisdom and The Light of God. Proverbs 8

22 “The Lord possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, like a master workman,
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.
32 “And now, O sons, listen to me:
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction and be wise,
and do not neglect it.
34 Blessed is the one who listens to me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting beside my doors.
35 For whoever finds me finds life
and obtains favor from the Lord,
36 but he who fails to find me injures himself;
all who hate me love death.”

 

[Soyeong]

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus says the Lord: Stand by the roads, and look, and
ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and
find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk in it.

Even before the first Temple fell, Jeremiah proclaimed the call for following
“The Old Way”. Regardless of how orthodox your faith, or how old
you believe your denomination to be, Christianity is not old.
It does teach The Way that follows that ancient path.
Yeshua describes it here:
Matthew 7:
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad the way
that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life,
and there are few who find it.

The Ancient Path is the Way of Enoch, Noah, and Abraham. Men who walked
The Way before The Law was given to Moses and remained undefiled.
How did they walk The Way?
Genesis 26:5 Abraham obeyed My Voice.
He kept My charge,
My commandments,
My statutes,
and My laws.

In what way was Jeremiah, laying the foundation for the Gospel?
Read his words carefully. “Ask for the ancient paths”.
Is that what Yeshua was teaching on the mount?
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you.

In Jeremiah 6:16-19, it equates not walking in the ancient way with rejecting the Torah.

 

[Mr. M]

In Jeremiah 6:16-19, it equates not walking in the ancient way with rejecting the Torah.

Verse 19 certainly does condemn the people for not heeding God's word and rejecting the Torah,
This is an error to try to equate this to the "ancient way". Verse 17 condemns them for not heeding
the warnings of watchmen and ignoring the sound of the trumpet. By your logic, he is equating the
ancient way to responding to the sound of a trumpet. While this system is given as instructions in
Numbers 10, the ancient way only and always refers to the patriarchs "Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob".
Men who heeded God's voice and walked in the way of the Lord before law of Moses was given.
Isaiah 51:
1 Listen to Me, you who follow after righteousness,
You who seek the Lord:
Look to the rock from which you were hewn,
And to the hole of the pit from which you were dug.
2 Look to Abraham your father,
And to Sarah who bore you;
For I called him alone,
And blessed him and increased him.
7 Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,
You people in whose heart is My law....
9 Awake, awake, put on strength,
O arm of the Lord!
Awake as in the ancient days,
In the generations of old....

Did Abraham keep the Torah?
Yes, without having a codified law from the hand of Moses.
We also see Isaac and Jacob hearing from the Lord, and obeying His Voice.
Genesis 26:
1 There was a famine in the land, besides the first famine that was in the days of Abraham.
And Isaac went to Abimelech king of the Philistines, in Gerar.
2 Then the Lord appeared to him and said: Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land
of which I shall tell you.
3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants
I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.
4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your
descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments,
My statutes, and My laws.

Did Isaac, like Abraham, obey the voice of the Lord and receive the blessing?
Yes he did!
12 Then Isaac sowed in that land, and reaped in the same year a hundredfold;
and the Lord blessed him.
13 The man began to prosper, and continued prospering until he became very prosperous;
14 for he had possessions of flocks and possessions of herds and a great number of servants.
So the Philistines envied him.

This is precisely what Paul is teaching in Romans 3 and 4.
This is to walk by faith, like Abraham.
Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed
by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.
Romans 4:
13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed
through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect...

I am well aware of your efforts to teach Torah observance at every opportunity.
This is not the forum or the thread to promote your agenda.
We learn from the law and the prophets, to rightly comprehend Paul's teaching.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.

Paul's teaching does not contradict either, but requires a sound comprehension of "the promise
and the oath", and the walk of faith by hearing and heeding the voice of the Lord, like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Galatians 3:
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith,
preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying,
In you all the nations shall be blessed.
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Do you feel the need to be under a schoolmaster to walk in righteousness?
By all means do so, until you are able to discern His voice and walk by faith.
Galatians 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law,
kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ,
that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Galatians 5:
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and
these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

You can keep the law, but you cannot be justified in doing so.
You must hear His voice and obey. This is to walk by faith.
This is to walk in the perfect law of liberty, while also
fulfilling the "righteous requirements of the law".
Romans 8:
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh,
God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh,
on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us
who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.