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‘Sell all you have, and give to the poor'

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I feel like I've had a revelation moment. Has anyone ever woken and up and just known something deep in their spirit. To describe it verbally you use the same words that you've known and said for years and years. But the knowing is somehow different now?

Sell all you have a give to the poor. Jesus is saying he wants all of us, he doesn't want us to hold back any part of us. I could sell everything I own and be penniless on the streets, but there still might be something I'm holding back from Him.

I think Jesus does want us to give our money and not hold onto our possessions, but he wants even more than that. He wants everything. Sometimes people use this as an excuse not to give, they say 'Well I would give away everything if I thought God was telling me I was holding onto it'. I think most of us hold onto riches a little too tightly, but we hold onto everything else a little too tightly too. We want to control our lives, we want to tell God want we want, then we are upset when things don't go exactly as planned. God wants full control of our lives, we are either a slave to Him or a slave to the world.
 
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Congratulations for hating your life!

John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

Anyone who thinks that hating their life means working to have a good life needs psychiatric help, seriously!

Think about this, the people who are least burdensome to God's creations are the poor who are content with their lives. (not including the poor who strive to realize worldly ambitions).

When God commanded us to have dominion over His creations, doesn't mean we are to be evil and greedy masters of God's creations. To destroy forests, poison the air and waters just to have a good life in the burbs.

Jesus became poor for us to follow. Death of our greedy nature, literally, is life to God's creations and the poor! Now that is love!

God did not intend the world only to have 10% having a good life and 90% with deplorable living conditions. Whatever the world stands for is evil and antiGod, antiChrist.

Those who live to satisfy the flesh (put value on things that are temporary) will die (John 6)
 
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Don't think I hate my life completely yet, but I'm still a working progress and God will be working on me until the day I meet Him. But the more I have lost my life, the more freedom I have found. The truth really does set us free!!!!
 
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Don't think I hate my life completely yet, but I'm still a working progress and God will be working on me until the day I meet Him. But the more I have lost my life, the more freedom I have found. The truth really does set us free!!!!

Indeed! Once you have gone to this point (John 6:63 or Luke 16:15 or Luke 10:42),

You will also be set free from a lot of sins like covetousness, idolatry, anger/hatred. Like you won't get angry at all if someone scratched your car in the parking lot, won't get angry at your spouse if they lose their job, won't get angry at your kids if they flunk a lot of subjects. You will treat people equally and love them the same and not try to change them even if ill-mannered like the disciples of Jesus who doesn't wash their hands before eating or got terrible fashion statement like John the Baptist.

Sadly, a lot of broken Christian families could have been saved if only they have faith enough to follow Christ and resist the broken and evil ways and wisdom of the world.
 
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Is so true, the ways of the world are so seductive and attractive yet they only bring destruction and discontent. People often see God as the big party-pooper that spoils all our fun and that the reason we shouldn't sin is because of judgement. But its so much more than preventing judgement. God's ways are actually beneficial to us, the fruit of God's ways brings light, freedom and peace among many other things where we actually reap the benefits here on earth (No, no, I'm not talking about the counterfeit prosperity gospel arghh!!).
 
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freedom and peace among many other things where we actually reap the benefits here on earth (No, no, I'm not talking about the counterfeit prosperity gospel arghh!!).

If everyone in the world followed the teachings of Jesus since the beginning, not the pagan teachings of the world, everything will be free!

We'll probably live in simple huts in the middle of a natural forest clearing or in the beach. Our technology might be very primitive but....

....No one will be poor and starving. Diseases will be unheard of. Crime, zero! Sewage and garbage management will be an alien concept because people won't gather very close together in cities and obey God to spread over the Earth (as God commanded us in the Tower of Babel - not to live together in huge numbers)

No one will build big and "better" things for people will love God and His Words, and not pride in what they have. Such attitudes will not cause envy and strife among others. Envy which causes unsustainable and destructive greed because people choose to be arrogant and build better lives for themselves which is now destroying our planet on a significant level!!
 
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Don't think I hate my life completely yet, but I'm still a working progress and God will be working on me until the day I meet Him. But the more I have lost my life, the more freedom I have found. The truth really does set us free!!!!

I believe you have genuinely accepted the words of Jesus even if you may not be doing it yet.

John 12:47-48
If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

You remind me somewhat of the tax collector in Luke 18:13-14 which is a very good thing. Sadly, many Christians are like the Pharisees in Luke 16:14-15, and reject the Words of Jesus if it conflicts with how they want to handle material wealth.
 
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The KJV version is a bit different. John12:47-48
And if any man hear my words, and believes not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

I've always read this as Jesus doesn't need to judge someone because His words judges them already. Do you read this the same way? Do you think he is talking about the same person i.e. someone who does not believe is therefore someone who rejects him? I'm starting to think its possible He is talking about two different things here. Perhaps that's why He was compassionate towards the man that cried 'I believe, but help me in my unbelief.'

'If someone hears my words and does not keep them,' I'm not sure about this translation - remember the story about two sons, one told his father he would do something but didn't, the other said he wouldn't do something but he did. It was the one that did the right thing that was commended. I guess it doesn't matter really about translations as I think God is bigger than that, what's important is that do what Jesus commands regardless of our beliefs.

Even if I am like the tax collector I shouldn't be happy to stay that way as I truly believe its firstly the revelation of repentance followed by the revelation of God's grace that truly transforms us. Sometimes I'm not quite sure at what stage I am at but I trust God to continue His work in me I'm started to realise that salvation is something that is appointed before we are even conceived so no matter what stage we are at when we die, we shall be saved.
 
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Interesting perspective on that verse. The KJV is a bit confusing even to me also. But the more original Greek translation is also available for research.

http://biblehub.com/text/john/12-47.htm

I believe Jesus is speaking about two different things on that matter.

I think (don't take my word for it but test) the person who did not believe (follow) Jesus neither believed the false teachings of the enemy (world) also. This person is standing on neutral ground. Young children would probably be the best examples and the poor who sought to remain innocent of worldly ways/wisdom and remain content in their condition.

I have actually seen poor people in those conditions who love to remain humble in their ways. They do not keep the words of Jesus but I see God in them a lot more than many Christians I meet living in the suburbs.

For the person who rejected the Words of Jesus, he or she did it because he or she is following and desiring the ways and wisdom of the world which sets itself up to oppose Jesus.

This is not theory, I have also seen it a lot of times. They not only reject the Words of Jesus especially if it concerned with wealth, they hated it!

James 4:4 would support that notion:

"You adulterous people,[a] don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."
 
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So it really does seem that Jesus was talking about two different people. I will need to ponder over this some more...
 
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Jesus did not say give all you have to the poor. Obviously if he would have meant it that way. The disciples wouldn't had a lucrative fishing business to go back to when Jesus had died. He even helped there business prosper with miracles. The man had great possesion. Jesus bought perspective on materialism, not going broke giving. There are a alot of things we own that are excessively expensive that we dont need or we could have a more thrifty version of. Just from a more prudent perspective alone let alone having more on stand by to help people with. If you watch what he says more closely and all context, this seems to be the idea. Even if I have the money, if I buy a nice toyota, verses and excessively expensive bentley, they serve the same purpose with equal efficiency, but I have much more liquid assets to help with as well as save for future and also emergency. Jesus wouldn't contradict many of the wisdom literature in proverbs and others that teach the importance of saving and storing up during harvest season for future and not being prepared for emergency, future hardships and being available to children and other family, but also being genererous. If all your money is tied up in xtremely expensive items you possess, it can be waistful. Jesus was just telling him to liquidate what you have and you will be on standby and have exta to give with. Though he was rich he may not have had as much as he could have. But Jesus did not tell him to give away all the had
 
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I think all becomes lucid in the obscurity of Matt.13:44, etc., once its unveiled, ie, dump all earthly things and ideas that would hinder one making the Word their own. I've seen too tooo many Christian horders, to my horror, stating Abraham was rich. No correction intended, ie, only a little adding.
 
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Jesus wouldn't contradict many of the wisdom literature in proverbs and others that teach the importance of saving and storing up during harvest season for future

Yes He did. Are my eyes fooling me?

Matthew 6:19
Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

Luke 16:9
I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

Luke 21:3-4
“Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

Luke 12:20-21
“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”

Jude 1:18-19
They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

Jesus was just telling him to liquidate what you have and you will be on standby and have exta to give with.

Luke 19:8-9
But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham.

Don't keep downplaying what Jesus says about taking away your money due to your love of money.

"If a man asks you one mile, give him another mile!"
 
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Including dumping all one's secular rights to anger quickly, and the endless unrepentant list.
 
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Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one


In simpler words:

"ARM YOURSELVES"

The prince of peace finally broken ...
reminding apostles that Rome understands violence NOT philosophy

Pax Romano.
 
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Some of you are such hypocrits on this forum when you say jesus literally means go flat broke giving money and possessions away when you are sitting here with obviously a computer, internet service, cars homes and at least some degree of material comfort in this life now when you should nt have any of this because you should be flat broke and homeless and possessionless because you gave it all away for jesus. You should never post on this forum because you shouldnt have a computer. There are others who need the computer you are reading my post on right now more than you. Go give it away and we should never hear from you again. Now watch someone will rebutt this and will only be making my original point.
 
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Right now I feel like the rich man that went away sorrowful after hearing Jesus say that to him. (Matt 19:21,22)
When we read the Scriptures (1) we need to keep things in context and (2) we need to know the total teaching of Scripture regarding any subject.

Why did the Lord tell this rich man to divest himself of his wealth? Because wealth was his idol -- his god. Christ made no reference to the first four commandments (which pertain to loving God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength). Instead He simply told the rich man to get rid of his idol (which the man refused to do). Even had he kept all Ten Commandments, he could not have received the gift of eternal life (but that is a separate matter).

What does the Bible teach about wealth?
1. Covetousness is idolatry (Col 3:5).
2. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. (1 Tim 6:10)
3. Wealthy Christians can do much good and should do so (1 Tim 6:17-19).
4. Christians are to use wealth on earth for the Gospel and the Kingdom of God, in order to lay up eternal treasures (Lk 16:9-13):
9And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. [USE WEALTH FOR THE RIGHT REASONS]
10He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. [DON'T MAKE WEALTH YOUR GOD]

Does the Bible teach asceticism, monkishness, etc.? NO (Col 2:20-23)
20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22Which all are to perish with the using, after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.[not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh]
Indeed, forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils (1 Tim 4:1-3).
 
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You cant take the story of the widow to mean to give away everything until you have nothing. She was already poor. She only gave what she could find which was so little she might as well have given it away because she could not do much else with it. Jesus was merely making note of a remarkable deed not explicitly giving a command about it. It is biblical principle to be wise and save your money for future hardship and unexpected expenses. In Proverbs 6:6-11 it is considered to be foolish and lazy to not prepare yourself for life in this manner. In proverbs 13:22 it is implied to be an unrighteous thing to not save your money to leave an inheritance to your kids. It is biblical principle to save for this reason. And according to matthew. 25:4-30 it is biblically sound to invest your money. He even calls his servant wicked for not doing so. You gotta balance the scriptures out people
 
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