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These two movements emerged from a movement in Scandinavia of pietism among Lutherans who felt the official Lutheran church was too large. What is the difference between the two denominations, and how did it happen that they emerged in Scandinavian counties? Do they resemble some of the modern...

Unfortunately my opening posting has been diverted into side issues not related to what I asked about in the beginning. I find this very unfortunate. I simply wanted to point out that if Christians adopt into their religion only what they consider to be "moral laws" from the Old Testament, they...

It seems to me logically that given the belief in original sin in Christianity starting with Adam and affecting all mankind forever, that it was absolutely necessary that the sacrificial atonement for sins by Jesus on the cross was necessary from the start. It doesn't make any sense for Jesus...

If non-Jews did not need to convert to Judaism, there certainly there was nothing absolutely binding for the Ten Commandments either, since the Ten Commandments were given at Sinai to the Jews. I am not saying that non-Jews could murder or steal, God forbid, but that invoking the Ten...

I intended to point out that if a Christian follows Old Testament commandments then their implementation has to be, at least theoretically, according to the same religious system, not a secular legal system. Obviously governments don't operate according to biblical laws, but at least in theory...

PLEASE read my most recent reply. Thank you.

Unfortunately you weren't following me. I brought the example of murder. There are different degrees of murder in law, intentional, unintentional, with witnesses, without witnesses, manslaughter, etc. But this cannot be adjudicated for punishment without civil laws, so if the ones in Biblical...

People have claimed that Christianity only requires observance of moral laws of the Old Testament, but ritual and civil laws are not relevant. But how can a person observe the Ten Commandments without the laws related to their performance and violation in civil law? For example, what penalties...

You don't understand what I meant. I asked a question of theology for which a direct explanation could be provided, but instead I'm offered scriptural verses that don't address my specific question.

But what if a person CHANGES simply by virtue of the challenges of life and its stresses? Can't I get a practical answer to a practical question?

But this doesn't answer a simple question. People have all sorts of life challenges that might change their feelings or values. So what are the consequences in this world of being saved but sinning? Or for that matter consequences in the next world?

I'll never understand why participants can't go beyond talking points when discussing a theological issue.

What happens when people ask about salvation and Jesus? Is it the Catholic Jesus salvation? The Lutheran Jesus salvation? The Calvinist Jesus salvation? The Baptist Jesus salvation? The Mormon Jesus salvation? The Pentecostal Jesus salvation?

I'm sorry to say I couldn't follow the first reply that seemed a bit convoluted. All I asked was what punishment is a consequence of sinning? If salvation is guaranteed then sinning along the way isn't much of a bug deal. On the other hand suffering in this life despite moral living is a...

Since salvation is subjective, and there is no objective proof of it, how can a sincere believer know which Christian "path" is the right one. If a person can be saved by faith regardless of denominational differences, then what's the point of the different denominations, whether Catholic...

If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords salvation that can never be removed, what are the consequences of sin and misbehavior in a person's life? A person could easily think there are no consequences, at least no...

Something quoted from a denomination's "catechism" is more significant than personal opinions at least in terms of knowing what a denomination thinks about a particular issue. But then there is the "logic" behind particular positions, i.e. to explain what it meant to be saved by Jesus BEFORE...

Actually, the reason for my frustration is that I am looking for "official" denomination positions on these issues aside from personal opinions of participants, in order to understand the traditional Christian views about these matters.

Is this a discussion forum or a scripture verses forum where there is no discussion but where people ask questions and get answers from verses that are expected to shut them up? That's what the Catholic Church was like a few hundred years ago when people started asking questions. "if you don't...

At least there is the insinuation that no one should have anything to complain about since it was all planned by God for the salvation of mankind. Yet generation after generation in multiple denominations continued to cast aspersions on Jews. Why didn't they cast aspersions on themselves instead...