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This should be a basic, common-sense point to acknowledge by both sides before starting any intellectually honest conversation on this subject. Very well written. Failing to acknowledge this is a symptom that the dialogue won't be honest, nor useful.

Looks like with some convoluted human reasoning, thinking to understand everything in God's plan, and borrowing overly-complex and ambiguous words from Paul, we are reverting some very simple words from Jesus. Jesus words are simple and straightforward, and can only be accepted with Trust and...

Exactly sister! What puzzles me a bit, it that it seems to me an incredibly simple concept, and very Scriptural too with respect to the idea that our prayers don't have effects, yet it seems so hard to understand... For instance, in this thread (in which you already answered too) this concept...

Hi Anastasia! Thanks for your answer :) And thanks for your blessings!!! I never said that God doesn't know the future, on the contrary, I personally always argued that the knowledge of the future AND the effectiveness of the prayer are completely compatible. Actually, that is a ridiculously...

I agree @ewq1938 , it's plenty of Scriptures that confirm this, like the ones you mentioned!

Hi @AnticipateHisComing and thanks for your answer! You are making a bit of confusion on a very basic theological concept, that's explained in the other posts above. If you are not convinced by Luke 18:1-8, read Boethius's Views | a2-level-level-revision, religious-studies...

Do you know if there is a way to private message on this site? Would like to ask more about this

I've just discovered this literal translation from greek of the Lord's prayer. "Father of ours who 's in * heaven, hallowed be thy name of yours, come thy kingdom of yours, arise thy will of yours, as in heaven, also on earth. This bread of ours that 's for the coming day give us this day. And...

Yes brother, we are not alone on this. In addition to the countless link above, consider also teachings like this: Unfortunately, all these people seem to be "voice calling in the wilderness", because this intention is unknown to the majority, and even blocked by the human reasoning that God...

It would be an extratemporal effect, thanks to what is sometimes now called Boethian omniscience (after the Christian philosopher who ruminated on this among other topics while waiting to be beaten to death for his faith). The specific time God sets for the Return doesn't alter, no more than the...

It would be an extratemporal effect, thanks to what is sometimes now called Boethian omniscience (after the Christian philosopher who ruminated on this among other topics while waiting to be beaten to death for his faith). The specific time God sets for the Return doesn't alter, no more than...

Awesome! And do they pray for the intention discussed in this topic? Hastening the Day of the Lord?

Did you read the post I've mentioned you here above? The one with the 2 timelines. It explains exactly how an appointed time is compatible with fulfilling prayers. And btw, you already should know about it given the answer you gave in the other question, so I'm surprised to see this switch :)...

Thank for your reply! Just for curiosity, did you read the answer with the 2 timelines just 2 comments above? I'm curious about your opinion on that regarding the day set / usefulness of the prayers. It's unrelated to which of the thousands of interpretations of the Revelation we believe. :)...

vinsight4u, I loved your Scriptural approach! :) And yes, the NT (as well as the OT) is full of such examples! Now I'm curious also on your opinion about the question linked at the bottom of the topic starter :)

@Blade @DennisTate @Grandliseur @GirdYourLoins @~Anastasia~ @paul1149 @1213 @Ron Gurley @Gottservant A quick research shows that this intention is shared by many pastors. Therefore, it's surprising and sad that this not known by millions of Christians who all together could make it powerful...

I've read it all, interesting. For the people "too long/didn't read": This is in other words what's in the starting topic. But I loved reading all, and even if I've found weird the objection 3 at the beginning, it gave me food for thought, so I'll reason on that.

You are completely right! Indeed, the topic is just an answer to who, by assuming that God knows the future, think that this demonstrates that prayers are useless. I don't have a position on whether God knows the future, I don't know. What I'm proposing is just that IF He knows it, that doesn't...

I'm sorry but this is not a logical refutation, nor it is Charles' quote. Do you have a logical refutation? And btw, not ad hominem at all, since I was noticing how his work was disproved by the topic starter (unless you present a logical refutation to that, other than "unsatisfying")

Thanks for your answer brother :) Can you also share your opinion on the reasoning in the topic starter? (the one with the 2 timelines) Either you find a logical flow there, or otherwise Charles' argument is completely annihilated by that.