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  1. ManyWeaknesses

    what defines idolatry?

    "Idolatry etymologically denotes Divine worship given to an image, but its signification has been extended to all Divine worship given to anyone or anything but the true God." http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6029 Hope this helps, OP. A good question to ask would also be...
  2. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    I see how it is; My comments were deleted for "goading/flaming" for calling an opinion outside of Orthodoxy "heretical" or "hetrodox". Well, the opinion that you can't walk away from Salvation is NOT taught by orthodox christianity(Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Catholicism in...
  3. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    *sigh* By "Can you refute John 10 or not" you mean the heretical and false interpretation of the verse that isn't orthodoxy?
  4. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    The same Holy Spirit which guards The Church and The Bible is the same Spirit which enables The Church to interpret this passage of Scripture. The same Bible you quote from is a catholic book. The Catholic Church is the only authority on interpreting the Bible; It is the Holy Spirit that guards...
  5. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    No one can remove or snatch you you, but you are welcome to walk away. That is the orthodox, Nicene Christian interpretation with how the Church that Jesus founded--the Catholic Church---interprets that verse. The Calvinist stance crumbles under the truth of Orthodoxy.
  6. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    This narrative can be applied the same way towards Calvinists: "There are people who are trying to deceive you by teaching you the heresies of Calvin. This supports their contention saved people cannot apostize or throw away their gift of salvation and misunderstand how grace works. They teach...
  7. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Well, He did say no sin could pluck a christian from Jesus' hand nor do do anything that could cause a him or her to lose salvation, so....
  8. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Is executing a murder against another innocent human being not an example of living according to the flesh in you view? How about cheating on your spouse? Is that not an example of living according to the flesh? What length of time do you consider as sufficient for "living according to the flesh?"
  9. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    I notice you didn't put "brethren(christians)....if you live according to the flesh you will die" in the bold. This falls in line with Ezekiel 18:20 "the soul that sins shall die" and the second death in Revelation 21:8; 22:15 and Paul warning christians that they won't inherit the kingdom of...
  10. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    You don't think rejecting Christ as saviour is a sin against God Almighty?
  11. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    The tract will handle a lot of what I'm trying to communicate here, so for now, I'm going to bow out. If you want to follow up on what I'm saying or are interested, please click the link: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/grace-what-it-is-and-what-it-does
  12. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Please read this: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/grace-what-it-is-and-what-it-does
  13. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Is there a Biblical example you can point to us the phrase or word "Triune God" and "Trinity" in The Bible? Jesus used worldly illustrations to convey spiritual truths, which know to be parables. They too demonstrated that faith without works is dead.
  14. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    You're not actually going to tell me I earn righteousness by obeying Jesus through keeping his command to love others and avoiding the consequences of sexual immorality and thievery, are you? Because obedience and loving others is not this black-and-white reality where being obedient means you...
  15. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    If I'm travelling 80 miles per hour in a burning car, no man can pluck me out of the car but I'm still able to depart from the car out of my own free will. The reality and possibility of being able to apostasize or for a jewish christian to fall from grace by going back to judaism does not...
  16. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    v13 and v14 certainly DO NOT speak of all sins for ALL TIME for those born of God. You're adding to scripture the words "all time" just as Luther added the word "alone" in his Bible to the passage that says we are saved by faith. Nowhere did it ever say we are saved by faith alone, and no where...
  17. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Actually, no. This is a misunderstanding; A christian is already reborn. They were already saved. You don't earn anything by avoiding sin---it's called obedience and being faithful to God and being holy as he is.(1 Peter 1:15). We have a moral obligation to avoid disobedience. If a christian...
  18. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    You are only free from all sin upon baptism or upon the confession. If you are free from all sin regardless of what you do after baptism, praying the Lord's Prayer for God to forgive your sin is useless; Confessing your sins to God is useless/pointless as they would already have been forgiven...
  19. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    Actually, no, I am not misleading anyone. The verse is not telling us that a christian is not capable of sinning nor does it teach that all future sins before they are committed after baptism are automotically forgiven.
  20. ManyWeaknesses

    Jesus says no one can pluck/snatch us out of His & The Father's hand. Does that include yourself?

    There is no guarentee that we'll live tomorrow. Something could happen: An accident, a shooting, a disease, struck by lightning, ect ect. How do you know you'll be alive by next week, next month, or even next year? Also, The Lord is expected to come back any moment now. Yeah it does in my...