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Right, I am currently of the belief that hell most likely does not exist. I don't mean to patronize you brother, but I know that it can be jarring to have closely held beliefs challenged. We all experience that. You don't have to come to a conclusion on the matter now, but please don't...

Well, I think you're mixing Christian tradition with some pagan mythology. Scripture does not say that hell and Sheol are the same place. Scripture says Sheol is where the dead go and the Lake of Fire is where judgment is carried out after Judgment Day as described in Revelation 20:11-15. Yes...

Hello brother! Where does Jesus say that hell exists? Also, I don't see any reference to hell in 2 Thessalonians that you quoted. Certainly the chaf (those sinners not saved by the blood of the Lamb) will be burned in fire, but I think that is a reference to the Lake of Fire. People and angels...

I Hey sdowney717, I wouldn't trust the English translation in this case. Look at the Hebrew under the hood on those words. I just looked up Proverbs 9:18 that you first referenced and it says Sheol, not Hell. Here is a screenshot of the verse in Biblehub. Yes, "hell" is potentially one of...

I'm starting to question whether Hell exists. I'm reading a book called Immortal by Lex Meyer right now. It seems like Hell may be a pagan idea that has crept into Christianity over the centuries. Sheol may actually be the place he (and the rest of us) are held until the resurrection or...

Not much is made today with both linen and wool. I check the clothes I buy for this combination and have yet to find anything that has it in the last two years. Please don't make the mistake that because someone is arguing for keeping the Torah/Law that they are relying on the Torah/Law for...

And the part that says that the Law has changed or is done away with? Where does it say that? The Law/Torah as referenced in Jeremiah 31:33 makes no mention of an altered Law/Torah, but is a reference to what the Law/Torah has always been previous to Jeremiah - the first five books of the...

Please show me a prophecy that the Law/Torah will be changed. We have to have a foundation in the Tanakh in order to understand the "New Testament". Jesus can certainly "fulfill" the Law in that the Law pointed to Him, but that does not mean it is done away with or changed. I believe you...

Let's remember that everything in the "New Testament" must be grounded in the "Old Testament"/Tanakh. That said, can you show me a place in the "Old Testament"/Tanakh that prophecies that the Messiah will change the Law/Torah? I have not found one yet and no one else has been able to find one...

You're right that it is a pagan holiday. Some people like to debate this by trying to trace the source of Christmas through different cultures - German, English, American, Egyptian, Babylonian, etc. What these cultures all have in common is that they are all pagan nations. Also, if God didn't...

Hey Bob S, I, and I'm sure Dig4truth will agree, believe Jesus fulfilled all He came to do, but I differ with you on what it was He fulfilled - or rather what "fulfill" means. Please consider: First, a Berean Jew would definitely not accept a Jesus that altered the Law as Messiah, because He...

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves and be concerned with whether a claim is astonishing or not. Instead, let's just test a belief/tradition to Scripture (see below for how we're defining Scripture) and see where it leads. All we're doing is role playing Acts 17:11 with the assumption that...

It's not going to be that easy lol. Let's start here: The Law makes it clear it is a sin to add to/remove from the Law (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, and 28:14). Even if someone performs signs/miracles and then gives us new commands that add to/remove from the Law, then that person is a false...

Hey bugkiller, Acts 15 is actually how my dialogue with Bob S started. If you don't mind, I'd like to begin our discussion with this reply. If you would, please treat me as if I'm a Berean Jew and you are Paul (Acts 17:11). I'm going to test what you say to Scripture as Scripture was...

When did I say that keeping the Law is our salvation? If I did, then please quote it and I will clarify. The Law is not how we are saved. We are saved by Jesus's blood as He is our Passover lamb. I'm simply debating what His commands are - the Law or something different, since we are...

Hey bugkiller, I was on vacation for the beginning of this week, so I'm catching up on this thread now. Why do you say that what Jesus called the new covenant is being rejected? What are you referring to?

You don't understand sarcasm do you? And Israel is not the same as the Jews. The Jews are a tribe of Israel but not all of the Jews are really Israel. Kind of like how not all Christians are real Christians. Jesus died so that the 10 northern tribes of Israel could enter back into marriage...

Then I guess the Christian isn't part of the "new" covenant since God says His "new" covenant is with the House of Israel? Perhaps a wider view of the passages surrounding Deuteronomy 18:15 will make it clearer: Though these nations you are about to drive out listen to fortune-tellers and...

Ah thanks! Found it! Romans 2:13: For not the hearers of the Law are righteous in the sight of God, but the doers of the Law shall be declared right. Reminds me of "shama" in Deuteronomy 6:4 that Jesus repeats in Mark 12:29. "Shama" of course meaning "hear AND obey" . I do see Romans 2:14-15...

Hey yeshuaslavejeff ! Sorry, I clarified in another post that anyone can be grafted into Israel and become part of the "new" covenant when it is established which includes Gentile believers. Could you point that out to me in Romans? It doesn't come to mind off the top of my head. Thanks!