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Well Wolseley, I see you have not only not answered my post as you promised you would but rather you have chosen to scramble-up my post with another similar post and have now hopelessly mixed-up the two. Your popish bully tactics don't scare me Wolseley. You are an excellent example of...

Done Wolseley! You will find it under Ex Cathedra Papal Infallibility. But remember----I don't answer to a Pope. Vow, you are welcome to come also and just cheer for Wolseley if you like, or maybe just expound on the extreme complexity's of Mary that us simple Christians can't find in our...

Wolseley, Gotcha! I'm new to this website and I kinda thought I might be out of bounds. I won't debate Catholic doctrine in here any more. But as far as you answering my points in the other thread point by point. All you did is rationalize away the Catholic Church flip-flopping on...

I think we have answered Kern's original question very well. "Some Protestants make a big deal about the supposed "Mary worship" in the Catholic church and such. I haven't been to many masses since I started going to church again, but I don't recall any mention of Mary except for the line...

Vow, Just as you say there is no New Eve in the bible, there is also no command or request for you to seek Mary to pray for you or comfort you. You are abandoning Scripture again in favor of teachings from men. You are commanded to go directly to the Father and pray and receive comfort...

I think Mary was a godly saint and very honored by God but that's it. There is no mention of a New Eve in the bible. Is there? Pls give me the site. I see mention of a Second Adam, Jesus Christ. Mary's participation in our redemption is as much as her father, grandfather and great...

Vow, I am so glad to hear you say that! That is really a relief. Because what I have been reading is something entirely different. I went back and found what I read and here it is: 1997-APR-9: During an audience Pope John-Paul II referred to the role of Mary during the crucifixion of...

JOH 17:6 ¶ "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. I agree with your post in that it is not "those few who will be determined by obedience of the Church's rules." But it is rather those...

I have been reading that the pope and certain jesuits are strongly promoting Mary as co-redeemer with Christ in our salvation. What I have been reading I don't like at all. It goes something like this; Mary was weeping at the cross because she was suffering for our sins as Jesus was. It all...

Parousia70, Yes, that is how you explained it to me a few years ago as well. But I'm telling you that I think the warning by the Holy Spirit is more serious than you are taking it. I believe what Paul was saying is "this ain't it", we haven't arrived yet. To say that we have arrived upsets...

This has been a great post, I am glad I'm not the only one benefiting! It is so interesting to discuss these issues and for everyone to see different viewpoints. I think that's how we all grow...at least that's how I seem to grow. Thanks for jumping in on this Wolseley! I believe the bible...

Parousia 70, I have been been reading you posts on this subject for years in various chat rooms and discussion groups. I have read the books and have carefully thought out the matter. I have asked you what this verse means: 2TI 2:17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are...

Wolseley, Ok...lets see...you said, Incorrect media had a field day,they got the story wrong, just like they always do every time they try to report on anything Catholic The question is, which Inquisition? The Roman one? The Spanish one? The pre-14th century one? The post-Reformation...

Vow, The point is not just that the popes were bad, but that they also made decree's of heresy, excommunication, and condemnation, which they either later recanted or subesequent popes recanted. Once you leave the Word of God for the word of man this is what happens...and worse! I like...

Vow, You requested, "REVOKED "ex cathedra"? Yes, a reference please." Here is just a short list. Rome admits that, over the years, many errors have occurred. For instance, in the 1960s, Paul VI "de-canonized" over three hundred saints, declaring them to be fraudulent and not to be...

Vow, So you see that even Hahn agrees that the early church was divided on this issue with those of the eary church who gave a literal (Catholic)meaning including: Cyril of Jerusalem, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory Nazianzen, Chrysostom and Ambrose. Those who gave a figurative (Protestant)meaning...

I have been reading Scott Hahn because of his conversion to Roman Catholicism. I have carefully followed his ideas and debates. I have also followed the conversion of Roman Catholics to Protestantism and read their ideas. Why I am entered this thread was because it was discussing Scott Hahn...

Thank you for allowing me to comment again. What a nice group! I think Scott Hahn is wrong here. Why would Jesus begin talking about flesh at this point in His discussion except to provide commentary on what he had just been talking about earlier, that is His flesh. JOH 6:63 "It is the...

As a Protestant and having read Scott Hahn, I can tell you that it is one thing to understand how God is in the smoke and fire and how Jesus is "in the midst of us" by His Holy Spirit, and quite another thing to say we are eating Jesus' literal flesh and literal blood. If there is one Jesus...