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    A new CF, an old vision (4)

    Oh that's crap Steve! It was cherry picked verses to try and prove your point. It was a masterful choosing of verses that support your side. It's what we all do when there is no real backing in scripture. Paul even quested pagan philosophers and spoke the language of the pagans to which he was...
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    A new CF, an old vision (4)

    Steve you are a master of hyperbole. CF is becoming more congregational in its method of being run. It is becoming more open. All I see in your posts is fear that the truth won't stand without rules and fences. That is exactly what the pharisees were afraid of as well. There will be rules, there...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority Thought you'd know that one Bear. ;)
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Actually Tom you and I have the same concerns. Tyranny of the majority never works. A community run site will have to have mechanisms to insure two things. One, that tyranny of the majority doesn't happen and Two, that discussions don't go on endlessly so that nothing gets done at all. Both are...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    And here we have it. Miracle knows the will of God for CF. Your agenda is nothing more than your own interpretation of scripture, to which you are welcome, but it is no less valid than mine. Oddly enough and in the end you and I likely agree on less than a lot of the posters here. I think the...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Better than knights who say "ni!" at least.
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Tom show me one recent post of mine where I spew hatred. Please do. I was a total ass in the past. I suck at interaction on message boards pretty badly. But it is something I am working on. Here in this thread I am trying to get fellow Christians to show love instead of spewing hate and venom. I...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    There is a difference between a literary hook used for effect and outright hatred. I have seen you be sarcastic for effect many a time. Are you trying to climb up on a high horse now? I've got a stool if you need help. I'll stay down here with all the sinners. (Please note: The above post...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    There is a difference between sarcasm and downright hate. I never claimed to be prefect at all. I never claimed to have all the answers. All I know is I see hatred being spewed. If I am a little sarcastic it is absolutely nothing compared to some of the horrible posts by supposed Christians in...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    So they should have your oh so pure agenda in their hearts and minds? I am actually using this thread to show my children, who are ignorant of internet drama, the difference between loving words and hurtful words. I have brought them over, let them read posts, not selecting them and by and large...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    You have got to be kidding. In fact I know you haven't read every post. There are straight up flames of non-Christians all over the place in these threads. Horrible accusations being made. The most the supporters are doing is trying to remind people to loving. Sure there are snippy remarks on...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Well I don't have a lot of time honestly. I have time right now because I am on vacation. I also have wonderful children and a wonderful wife!
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Back this with scripture. There is nothing either secular or Christian about the system Erwin has chosen. You cannot show that openness and accountability are bad according to scripture. It does force Christians to be in the world but nowhere are we told any different. I am a staunch...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    I am all for voicing opinions but when all those opinions are based on is speculation and not even on the post made by Erwin and when those opinions simply tear people down and insult non-Christians and non-Nicene Christians then they cannot be allowed to stand without correction. Love and...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    CF changes the creed for its own use. Look at the footnotes on baptism. It is not the Nicene Creed in use here but a modified version with footnotes to allow specific groups and exclude others. The Nicene Creed is not the word of God.
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to...
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    It's honestly sad how much vitriol is coming from people wearing Christian icons and how much forgiveness and willingness to start new is coming from the atheists. I guess that by their fruits we will know them after all..
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    St Francis rocks!
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    Such an outpouring of Christian love.
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    A new CF, an old vision (3)

    This may not be the remedy but it is better than what was here. Fewer people will be hurt by an open system and freedom than by a closed system and policing with no accountability.
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