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rev 18: 1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every...

lysi: I think as stated already that we agree more so than disagree. However back to these who resurrected in Matt 27. Yes they may have temporarily been in bodies for that specific purpose of showing themselves, but, I believe once in heaven they became Just bodiless Spirits as described...

Yes, you right, I jumped the gun on you. After I reread what you were saying, I see we agree on many things.

billy: And thats all men are until they are born from above, until then they are just flesh, so while Just flesh, men cannot please God, and Faith pleases God..so what does that tell ya ?

robert: No He doesn't, only the elect, the Church, the Sheep, the ones Christ laid down His Life for.

None can hear the Gospel spiritually except those who have been born of God. Jn 8: 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 47He that is of God heareth God's words[or His gospel]: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. It does not...

cyg: The election of grace within the nation was not a physical Nation but a Spiritual Nation, it was the small remnant within the Physical Nation. Thats why Paul says in rom 9: rom 9: 6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[Spiritual and...

The book of Jude was surely a book written to the Church of Christ Jude 1: Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: 2Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. 3Beloved...

lys: Yes, but the scripture says nothing about them being in their Glorified bodies. Also it was only many and not all. And what is your point ? What does this have to do with the Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation ?

So was Ishmael and Esau, but they were not Children of Promise, of the election of Grace. Being born merely Physical descendants of Abraham, and thats all, then you are not the Children of God. Rom 9: 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but...

billy: No need, The Christ I serve has saved every last person He died for.

Well you can forget about people stop saying that it is..

He does, His elect that were chosen in Christ.

billy Right, the Lost that Christ did not come to seek and to save. If He did, then He has failed His mission.. It will, those who Christ did not die for and destroy the works of the devil over them. Those who believe not are under the power of the devil, the god of this world 2 cor 4...

Sure, but thats not the nation of Israel the physical seed of Abraham, they are not the children of God rom 9: 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. God has no Covenant with those who...

Yeah, I know what you mean. But Jesus did not shed one drop of blood or endure one feeling of pain for anyone going to hell..

Thats the remnant. No, Paul was dispelling the Ideal that all native born jews were rejected as God's foreknown People. God still had a foreknown people through Christ that were ethnic jews, but its based upon the election of grace, not race..

And that was the remnant in God's view. The whole Nation that consisted of the Children of God.

robert: Its not sufficient for them, intentionally. Christ death and sufferings was so proportioned by Divine Justice, that it was minutely enough for Just His elect.

elop: Yes it does, thats exactly what it means. God had full knowledge of what Adam would do, and created Him in light of that. Adam could not have sinned and brought sin into the world if God did not given Him being in the first place. Now, was Adam's sinning contingent upon God first...