Who is Mystery Babylon ?

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rev 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Now it appears, that this babylon is a city ! Now what great city was it that has been responsible for this:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Hint ! Matt 23:


37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. cp rev 18:


19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
 

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1) Eve and the serpent, the sons of Cain, those who corrupted the earth prior to the flood.
Gnosticism The Source Of Female Priestesses "D"

2) The one world religion of Nimrod which became known as Babylon. One might think mystery babylon, which has the name, to have something to do with this.

3) The Babylon of Nebuchadnezzar, which indeed persecuted God's people.

4) Media / Persia, Greece, and the other empires in Daniels vision. See here for more info on mystery babylon: Mystery Babylon, the Definitive Website

5) The Pharisees. The brood of vipers, serpent gnostics, who shut up the kingdom of heaven, don't go in themselves, pray to be seen of men, etc.

6) Rome. This one is the sixth beast and fits all the criteria. If you beat the truth, join in, and do evil in the name of Jesus. *

7) The revived sixth beast, Rome, the European Union whose flag features the tower of babel and plans a one world government and religion. I mean you can't get more obvious then that. This also includes the freemasons, the illuminati, the Zionists, and even the USA to some extent.

* Identifying the roman church as polluted of mystery babylon

1) They didn't even allow people to read the bible for 1000 years
2) The Bible condemns them:

"In vain do they worship me teaching for doctrine the traditions of man."
Purgatory, Indulgence, the sacraments, veneration of mary, worship of saints and rabbi's, doing away with the sabbath, sunday sun worship, and many other traditions that have nothing to do with scripture.

Also see the book of Jeremiah, condemning the queen of heaven, xmas tree's and other pagan holdiays disguised with Christian themes. "Call no man on this earth your father for you have one in heaven." Mystery Babylon has deceived the whole earth.

3) Persecuting the saints and many other people:
The Catholic Holocaust « The Christian Esotericist

Antichrist is here too: Maitreya (see my antichrist link) and look at the two raptures link on the same site.
 
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This term is used symbolically in Revelation to describe all of lost humanity .... past, present, and at the time of the end

This worldwide condition will have a "great city" part and center of commercial trade .... an economic giant that has substantial influence over all other economies and markets on the earth

This "great city" will be viewed as supressive particularly by the beast and his 10 kings and these will attack and destroy it in one day ..... the "great city" will never rise again
 
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The beast and the ten kings destroy mystery babylon because they hate her, therefore she has nothing to do with the false christ/false prophet or some new world religion.


Rev 17: 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Look around, who do the devil-worshippers in society hate just as much as Israel?

It's Christianity and Capitalism.

Who is the "mother" of Christianity, from the world's perspective?
Who is the "mother" of Capitalism?

It's Rome and the West. This is why God is calling His people from "the land of the North".

Rome is heeped up in Babylonian teachings.

The New World Order that is being created is antichristian, anti-Jewish, anti-captialist. It is a socialist/communistic society. They will enforce a mark, without which a person will not be able to buy or sell. With that mark, you are worshipping the beast. That's a takeover of global religion and commerce.
 
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Here is my file on MBG:

Revelation
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abpminations of the earth.


+ The symbolic meaning of Mystery Babylon the Great is revealed for the first time from the Lord's comprehensive point of view in Revelation 17 and 18. This adultrous [unfaithful] "woman" represents the prevailing condition of lost humanity estranged from Him on a global scale.

This historical and end time view of the Lord is revealed regarding His evaluation of the same and His ultimate intent to bring the rule of earth by a lost civilization to an abrupt ending. [Psalms 2; Daniel 2:31-45; 1Thessalonians 5:1-6; 2Thessalonians 2:1-17; Revelation 6:12-17]

The term Babylon is used symbolically to describe human organizational behavior apart from His providence and direction. Humans began to organize shortly after the flood for the purpose escaping the Lord's intervention and control. [Genesis 10:10; 11:1-9]

They did this by grouping collectively and developing political, social, and false religious systems, etc.; and building cities and related infrastructures.

Post flood inhabitants living in the Tigris and Euphrates river valley believed they could become self-sufficient and create survival measures which would prohibit the Lord's intervention so that they could control their own destiny.

One essential requirement for the accomplishment of their ambitions was a common language which they had. This feature coupled with human intelligence allowed for great potential to move in the direction of self-determination.

The Lord observed their activities, warned them of the consequences, and as a deterrent He confused their language so that they could not understand one another. [Genesis 11:1-9]

This had the temporary effect of halting the building projects and dispersing the people. His action was His way of getting attention and making a point which was soon ignored. Many cities and their collective habitations were eventually constructed in the river valley and beyond.

Some of them became city/states with their own king, government, offensive and defensive military, false religions, culture, and economic trading systems. These then grew into larger dominions, and then into empires by forming alliances and by conquest.

The name Babylon, which is derived from the word "Babel" [confused languages], was the name of the first major city of the ancient Sumerian civilization in the land of Shinar [southern Iraq].

This was also the name of the greater neo-Babylonian Empire which ruled most of the Middle East in the 6th century B.C.. This model of advanced human organizational structure has been repeated many times through out history and exists today as a connected worldwide integration.

The name "Babylon" has been used in scripture to define other cities like Jerusalem because of its intransigence and likeness to the ancient city of Babylon. Jerusalem is defined as a "great city" in the book of Revelation [Revelation 11], but different from the "great city" part of Mystery Babylon the Great [Revelation 17 and 18].

The concept and process of human organization is not the problem. It is the fallen condition of humanity that becomes amplified by the environment created by human interactions and intransigence against the Lord.

Humans have lived in a fallen state of existence since Adam and Eve decided not to trust the Lord's providence and direction [Genesis 3:16-24]. Post-flood populations decided to do the same thing and continued on without regard for His presence. [Genesis 11:1-9]

His warning to Adam and Eve was that they would die physically and spiritually, and would eventually cease to exist if they refused to trust Him and then to separate themselves from Him.

We are all in this same condition and must turn, seek His forgiveness and grace, and receive His gift of eternal life by accepting Him as our Lord and savior. [Romans 1:16-32; 2:1-8]

Mystery Babylon the Great has been and is influenced and controlled by satan who is called the god of this world and of the kingdoms of the nations.

He knows that humans have been created for eventual eternal life and his objective is to deceive them and turn them away from the Lord. All of Mystery Babylon's attributes are vulnerable to satan's manipulations.

The woman in Revelation 17 is Mystery Babylon the Great and she is shown sitting on the heads [dominions, kingdoms] of the beast indicating a connection with the heads.

These heads symbolize successive and specific human kingdoms [dominions] and related king positions; and these dominions contain the lost human civilizations represented by the symbol of the unfaithful "woman".

Satan rules over the seven specific kingdoms presented in the scope of the visions through his beast Abaddon-Apollyon who is another fallen angelic, and they symbolize seven successive dominions which have and will exist in the Middle East. [Revelatyion 13:1, 17:8]

Each of them has a human king "position" that rules the dominion, or kingdom, which represents the geographical extent of the king's influence control.

The woman is unsaved organized humanity existing within the domain [kingdom]. Babylon is used symbolically to describe her. She is the prevailing condition of lost humanity over time.

She also has and does exist in other parts of the world outside of the Middle East, but these dominions are not seen in the scope of the visions recorded in the Bible [many known civilizations of the past are not recorded in the visions].

The exception is her "great city" part [possibly a great nation] seen in the book of Revelation which will be located outside of the Middle East at the time of the end of this present age. [Revelation 17, 18]

This core great city part of lost humanity is seen dominating all of the other nations, their kings, and their cities in the world with specific reference to worldwide economic influence and control.

Abaddon-Apollyon is a fallen angelic prince who influences and rules over all of the seven human king positions and their dominions of the Middle East for satan. His presence is revealed with specific connection to the earth and world of humans centered in the Middle East. [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Micah 5:5; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8]

The woman is always present as the rule of each dominion falls and the next prevails. Her first five dominion relationships of the past recorded in the scope of Bible prophecy were all centered in the Middle East. [Revelation 17:8]

The Lord reveals her past and future existence in the book of Revelation. In the broader context she represents all of the dominions [nations] and their cities in the world during the coming time of the end.

Her future great city part will be dominant over the sixth dominion of satan's beast located in the Middle East and all of the other nations and their cities in the world at the time of the end.

satan [the dragon], Abaddon-Apollyon [the beast], the human little horn [human king], and the ten other horns [human kings] will hate her great city part and destroy it with fire in one day. This will occur just the beginning of the Lord's coming judgment. [Revelation 8:7-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

The Lord will draw satan and his agents to carry out His judgment process against her great city part.

This will be His first direct response and judgment against an unbelieving world of humanity just at the beginning of the coming tribulation period. He will strike at the woman's core civilization [the great city] and destroy it in one hour.

The rest of her dominion relationships of the cities of the nations will remain during the coming tribulation period and will include the sixth and seventh dominions of satan's beast in the Middle East.

She will be completely destroyed when the Lord destroys the dominion of the beast and all of the remaining dominions [nations] and their cities in the world. Not one will be left standing and all human rule of self government will come to an end. [Revelation 16:17-20]

Mystery Babylon's attributes [the lost condition of humanity] are deception, arrogance, self-sufficiency, greed, materialism, vice, corruption, violence, crime, murder, false religion, religious persecution, and offensive warfare.

She is the corporate collection of unbelieving unsaved human societies and empires that have existed since the flood and have separated themselves from the Lord.

He considers her accountable for the killing of prophets, believers, and all humans who have been slain on the earth. The nations [dominions] of the Gentiles and Israel have been guilty of all of these actions in many ways over time. [Revelation 17, 18]

Any combination of her attributes and behavior can influence and contribute to the ultimate destruction of humans by distraction and by keeping them from seeking and finding the right relationship to the Lord.

She will have grown to enormous advanced proportions [Mystery Babylon the Great] by the time of the end and her most prominent feature will be her commercial, financial, and economic dominance on a worldwide scale. [Revelation 18]

The Lord will judge her by motivating the little horn [the beast incarnate] and the ten other horns [human kings] to attack and destroy her great commercial and economic center of influence with fire in one day. [Revelation 17:16-18]

Her great city's destruction will occur just at the beginning of the tribulation period of the Lord's coming wrath and it is recorded within the first 4 trumpet soundings recorded in the book of Revelation. [Revelation 8]

The smoke of her burning will be viewed by those far off who depend upon her commercial and economic strength and presence; both as a provider and a market place. [Revelation 18]

Her abrupt fall will cause worldwide economic upheaval and huge environmental contaminations. Much of the world will reel in the confusion as the result of her destruction.

If we are close to the time of the end of this present age, her great city may very well be the combined cities of the USA [a unified nation of states .... a great city]. I am speculating on this possibility.

These states are all connected via financial, economic, and commercial interests which in turn dominate most of the world's commercial trade, wealth, and finance. The USA is the current leading economic power of the group and could be the part of the woman called the "great city" described in Revelation 17 and 18.

The little horn [the beast] and the other ten horns will be in the Middle East where his sixth and seventh dominions will be located.

I am speculating about the actual identification and location of the "great City", but not about the location of the sixth and seventh dominions [kingdoms] of satan's beast. [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 8:9-13; 11:36-45; Micah 5]

satan and Abaddon-Apollyon will dominate the Middle East through the human little horn and he will cause much difficulty and destruction on a worldwide scale during the coming tribulation period. His sixth kingdom will be a small one [the one that "is"] located in the northern sector of the Middle East. [Revelation 17:10]

He will then expand the sixth into the seventh and final divided kingdom incorporating the ten other Middle Eastern kings and their kingdoms. [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7]

The current Islamic factor in the Middle East will be part of this picture. This religion is the common denominator that will produce the cult worship of the beast. The core of Islamic fundamentalism is located in the Middle East. [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Revelation 13:11]

The student of Bible prophecy needs to be aware of these things as we move closer to the end of this age. We could be on the very door step of the beginning of the time of the end of this present age.

Current conditions may change over the course of time and could present a different picture, but there are significant similarities existing today which resemble the Bible's descriptions of the coming end time events.

Two declarations are made in Revelation in conjunction with the Lord's judgment of Mystery Babylon's great city part, her other cities of the world, and the battle of Armageddon.

He will call His people to, "come out of her", so that they do not experience her calamities when her great city is destroyed. [Revelation 18:4]

This will be a command and action by the Lord to remove living believers from her great city part and the rest of the world just before the destruction comes. [Matthew 25:1-13; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 3:10]

"I will come as a thief", is the other declaration made which is what the Lord has said regarding His unannounced return to start the judgment process of His hour of trial against an unbelieving world. [1Thessalonians 5:1-4; 25:13; 2Peter 3:10; Revelation 16:15 (parenthetical)]

His warning is that believers must be prepared [keeping the truth], and watching, and waiting for this event so that they are not caught off guard and subjected His the hour of trial [judgment] that is coming.
 
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rev 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Now it appears, that this babylon is a city ! Now what great city was it that has been responsible for this:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Hint ! Matt 23:


37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. cp rev 18:


19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem. It is upon another 'holy' city that the judgment comes. That is, Rome, the city of seven hills that was once host to the Romans, the Heruli, the Ostrogoths, the Byzantines, the Franks, the Germans, and the Italians.
 
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Mystery Babylon would be the church of Rome.

I agree. Once the Eastern Church and Western Church Schism happened, the Roman Catholic Church was created (1054) CE. It was at this point that the Roman Church started storing up for itself a very bloody reputation and many other treacheries. Among all these that would soon take place, the Roman See found itself very comfortable with politics...a no-no for a group of people who supposedly declare that Jesus is the anointed king. Notice it was after the creation of the Roman Catholic Church that such things as papal infallibility, amillenniumal interpretation, and several other doctrines that supported papal politics arose.
 
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rev 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Now it appears, that this babylon is a city ! Now what great city was it that has been responsible for this:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Hint ! Matt 23:


37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. cp rev 18:


19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.



So you're implying that Jerusalem is babylon............

in many prophecies God promises to redeem Israel as a nation and Christ also returns to Jerusalem , first to fight against those nation that attempted to destroy Jerusalem during tribulation then to set up his earthly kingdom at Jerusalem.

So God is going to redeem Jerusalem and destroy her at the same time ?
 
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Who is Mystery Babylon ?

The figurative harlot Babylon (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11) and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The Antichrist's (the beast's) ten kings will destroy with fire all that the figurative harlot Babylon represents (Revelation 17:16-17a) when they destroy all the cities of the earth, possibly with nukes (and possibly with Fission-Fusion-Fission nukes: "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the seventh vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17b) of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before Jesus Christ's second coming (Revelation 19:2-20:3, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Satan/Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12,17), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

But how could Lucifer possibly convince the ten kings to burn up their own world? How could he convince them to "hate the harlot" (Revelation 17:16) when she represents their very own world-system? What Lucifer could do is revert to the ancient lies of Gnosticism, which says that everything material is basically evil, while only that which is pure spirit is good. Gnosticism teaches the lie that all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in a purely-spiritual heaven, the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in physical bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the creator of the material universe, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping mankind imprisoned in the material universe. The Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

So near the end of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before the second coming of Jesus Christ in Revelation 19:7-21, what Lucifer could do is tell the Antichrist and his ten kings: "The great battle of humanity against YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so humanity will finally be able to escape YHWH's prisonhouse, this vile material universe, and return to the Pleroma. So let us completely destroy this awful prison cell, this awful planet, and let us, as it were, completely burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up everything, all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break every chain of attachment to this awful material realm, that we might more freely ascend back into our rightful place in the Pleroma".

Of course this will be a total lie. For at his second coming, Jesus Christ (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat all the armies of unsaved humanity, arrayed against him (Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20:1-6). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1).

And then God himself will come down out of the third heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-4). For there's nothing evil in itself about God's material creation. What he's created was created very good (cf. Genesis 1:31). And Jesus, God himself, became flesh (John 1:1,14), and remains flesh even after his resurrection into immortality as a man (Luke 24:39). And Jesus remaining wholly without sin even in the flesh (Hebrews 4:15) proves that there's nothing evil in itself about matter.

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Some people feel that the U.S. must be the figurative harlot Babylon. While the corrupt aspects of the U.S. are certainly included in what she represents, she represents much more than just the U.S. For the U.S. just by itself (just as, for example, Jerusalem just by itself) doesn't reign over all the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is the U.S. the only place on the earth where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is the U.S. the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has the U.S. just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has the U.S. been continuously supported by all the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:7,9-10).

Nonetheless, the corrupt world-system represented by the figurative harlot Babylon (Revelation chapters 17-18) may currently be headquartered in Washington DC and New York City, insofar as Washington DC may currently be "the crowning city" (cf. Isaiah 23:8) of mankind's corrupt politics, the first leg of the corrupt world-system represented by the figurative harlot Babylon (Revelation 17:18). And New York City may currently be "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics, the second leg of the corrupt world-system represented by the figurative harlot Babylon (Revelation 18:11). "The crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, the third leg of the corrupt world-system represented by the figurative harlot Babylon (Revelation 18:24), may currently be Jerusalem, just as it was back in the first century (Matthew 23:35-38).

Ultimately, all three legs of the corrupt world-system represented by the figurative harlot Babylon could become headquartered in the literal rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist could make the capital of the whole world during his 42-month worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7). He could build a central temple to himself (and Lucifer/Satan) there, for a temple will be built to wickedness in Shinar (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

Ancient Tyre was "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics in ancient times (Isaiah 23:8). God allowed the destruction of ancient Tyre as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isaiah 23:9). In the same way, in the future, God could allow the destruction of New York City and Washington DC by terrorist nuclear bombs, as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isaiah 23:9).

Also, the Bible teaches that, without repentance, what's sown is reaped (Galatians 6:7), and two nuclear bombs were sown by the U.S. against two major cities in Japan (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in order to terrorize Japan into surrender during World War II. So could the U.S. at some point in the future reap two terrorist nuclear bombs against two of its own major cities? Could the U.S. avoid this fate by publicly repenting before God and asking God and Japan for forgiveness for the U.S. intentionally targeting and murdering 150,000 innocent civilian men, women and children living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Could the 9/11 terrorists being allowed by God to intentionally target and murder 3,000 innocent civilian men, women and children in New York's Twin Towers and elsewhere in the U.S. have been just a warning to the U.S., a mere shot across its bow, to try to get the U.S. to repent for what it did to the two cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? But could the U.S. continue to refuse to repent for its nuclear terrorism against Japan, leaving the way open for nuclear terrorism against the U.S.?

New York City and Washington DC could be destroyed by terrorist nuclear bombs before the Antichrist even arises on the world scene. For there's someone currently keeping the Antichrist from taking over the world; it's only when this "restrainer" is taken out of the way that the Antichrist will be able to take over the world (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8a, Revelation 13:7). This restrainer could be a powerful angel like the one who will restrain Satan himself at the second coming of Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:1-3). The powerful angel restraining the Antichrist could be Michael the archangel, the angelic "prince" over Israel (Daniel 12:1, Daniel 10:21,13). At the same time, Michael could also currently be the angelic "prince" over the U.S., making sure that the U.S. remains a close protector of Israel.

Part of Michael's being taken out of the way just enough so as to allow the Antichrist to take over the world could be God removing Michael's protective covering over the U.S. just enough to allow both New York City and Washington DC to be nuked by terrorists. This could happen shortly before or after the war of Revelation 6:4-8, and could weaken the U.S. not only by the destruction of its financial and political capitals, but also by the subsequent run on the U.S. dollar which could occur, rendering the U.S. dollar close to worthless in world markets. The U.S. government could then finally go bankrupt, unable to any longer finance its huge debt, economy and military. Its days as a superpower will be over, opening the way for the Antichrist to arise on the world scene and begin his takeover of the world (Revelation 13:7).

If New York City and Washington DC are attacked with nukes, will this really be the work of "terrorists", such as Islamic jihadists? Or could the nuke-attack on the U.S. be merely a "false flag" operation, one falsely presented to the world as an Islamic-jihadist attack, when in fact it will have been carefully stage-managed from behind the scenes by a powerful cabal, a worldwide secret society of Luciferian Gnostics, as part of their careful, step-by-step plan to prepare the way for the Antichrist (who is himself a Luciferian Gnostic: 1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4) to arise and take over the world?

Could the Luciferian Gnostic cabal secretly train and equip some sock-puppet Islamic-jihadist group with two nukes and the means to get them into the U.S. and detonate them in New York City and Washington DC? For example, could the two nukes be secretly built in North Korea, secretly sold by North Korea to Iran, secretly delivered to Iran via a plane crossing China, secretly handed off by Iran to some Islamic-jihadist group in Pakistan, secretly boated over to Thailand, and then secretly brought into the U.S. via two shipping containers from Thailand into the Port Newark, New Jersey Container Terminal?

Could the two shipping containers have been lined with enough lead so as to thwart any radiation-detectors at the Terminal? And could these shipping containers have been filled mostly with tile, kitty litter or bananas, which give off a natural radiation, so that if the containers are actually opened up and checked by hand for radiation it will be thought that the radiation is just from the tile, kitty litter or bananas, and not from nuclear bombs packed into lead sarchophagi hidden in the center of the containers?

Could both containers in this way get past U.S. inspection? (And could the cabal also be careful to have its own hand-picked and extremely-well bribed and blackmailed inspectors on duty when the containers are passing through U.S. inspection?) Could one of the containers then be trucked to a New Jersey warehouse, where the nuke will be extracted and placed into a smaller, lead-lined, tile-filled delivery truck, which will then be driven into the very heart of Manhattan, where the nuke will be detonated? And could the other container be trucked to an Alexandria, Virginia warehouse, where the nuke will be extracted and placed into a large SUV? Could the SUV then drive to a small, local airport in northern Virginia, where the nuke will be loaded in the dead of night onto a small, private jet? Could the jet then fly in the dead of night over the very heart of Washington DC, where the nuke will be detonated?

And even besides this, could a third nuke-containing shipping container from Thailand end up in a vast shipping-container lot in the Port of Long Beach, California, right next to Los Angeles? And could the cabal not even bother to have the nuke extracted and driven into or flown over downtown L.A., but simply have the nuke detonated right there in Long Beach harbor, so that it completely destroys the major West Coast port of the U.S., and wipes out a lot of hugely-populated Los Angeles and Orange Counties? And could the "Islamic terrorists" claim that they nuked L.A. because L.A. is where Hollywood is, and where the San Fernando Valley is, a capital of inappropriate contentograpic video production, so that L.A. is a main source of the corrupt entertainment culture that has taken over the world, even in Islamic countries behind closed doors?
 
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rev 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Now it appears, that this babylon is a city ! Now what great city was it that has been responsible for this:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Hint ! Matt 23:


37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. cp rev 18:


19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Have you considered that Jerusalem is a prototype (Jeremiah 9:11) of the Revelation Babylon and that the Revelation Babylon symbolically refers to Rome and literally refers to an unidentified nation?

On the other hand, it's possible that the Revelation Babylon literally refers to Jerusalem, as God's dwelling place is Zion (Psalm 78:2, Psalm 48:1-2, 78:68), not Jerusalem.

Rev. 20:9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

What is Zion? Psalm 48:2 seems to indicate that it is a temporal place. Other Scriptures seem to equate it with Jerusalem. Zion is also equated with the house of Judah. :confused:
 
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Babylon knows who she is: the mother of harlots everywhere sees the name written on her forehead in the mirror every day. It will be a reproach to the hypocrites to admit their deeds, and acknowledge the mystery: but all their incorrect words shall pass away. Yea, to this day they ascertain that the city is a noble city, and will even pass over the commandments, and go beyond further to glorify themselves in seeking to establish the vision at all points as if they were the seed of promise.
 
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City building began shortly after the flood:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The first kings and their cities:

Nimrod built Babel in the land of Shinar [southern Iraq]
Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod [descendant of Ham]: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel (Babylonian), and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Asshur built Nineveh in the land of Magog (northern Iraq)
Gen 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur [descendant of Shem], and builded Nineveh (Assyrian), and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
Gen 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.

The last "great city" in the world and all of the other cities of the nations at the time of the end:

Destruction of this great city early in the tribulation (see Revelation 8:7-12)
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Destruction of the land area where the great city once stood and of all of the other cities in the world during the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38:19-20]. The Lord revisits the great city's continent [double unto her double] and the rest of the cities in the world with the greatest earthquake since humans have been on the earth.

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
 
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City building began shortly after the flood:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The first kings and their cities:

Nimrod built Babel in the land of Shinar [southern Iraq]
Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod [descendant of Ham]: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel (Babylonian), and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Asshur built Nineveh in the land of Magog (northern Iraq)
Gen 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur [descendant of Shem], and builded Nineveh (Assyrian), and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
Gen 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.

The last "great city" in the world and all of the other cities of the nations at the time of the end:

Destruction of this great city early in the tribulation (see Revelation 8:7-12)
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Destruction of the land area where the great city once stood and of all of the other cities in the world during the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38:19-20]. The Lord revisits the great city's continent [double unto her double] and the rest of the cities in the world with the greatest earthquake since humans have been on the earth.

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
But is it Babel resurrected or another Babel?

This can only mean one thing.

1. there will be unity (Gen. 11:6 one people)
2. earth will be filled with violence (Gen. 6)
3. no one will seek God (Psalm 14:1-3)

These are the signs of the end times.
 
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rev 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Now it appears, that this babylon is a city ! Now what great city was it that has been responsible for this:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Hint ! Matt 23:


37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. cp rev 18:


19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Looks pretty clear to me it is the old Jerusalem who fornicated with Babylon.

She made herself a widow at the Cross.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
 
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"But is it Babel resurrected or another Babel?"

>It is a continuation of human intransigence against God .... from the first, to the last

>The great city and the cities of the nations are going to be destroyed by the Lord at the end of this present age .... and He will then rule the earth from Jerusalem [Micah 4; Zechariah 14]

>The great city part of MBG will fall and never rise again [Revelation 16:16-21; 17:16-18; 18:21]

>But the Lord's city of Jerusalem will continue on forever [Jeremiah 30:11; 31:31-40; Revelation 21:1-3]]
 
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