God's plan

These are things we (me and my church) believe, they are back up in the bible!
These are quick explanations and lack much of any substance so please, nobody take offence and debate me based off what I put, I would invite any question though.

Is it so then that people are essentially predestined to either know or not know the Gospel? People have circumstances in life,understanding,experiences, that make it virtually impossible for them to receive,understand, accept the Bible. God knows this, why then predestine them to their enviroment?

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The “second chance”, this is were we believe those who do not believe in God will be resurrected and showen all the truth and some (many) will choose to repent and join the rest of Gods fruits, in his family! (This we believe is the meaning of Gods “great day” holy day.) You can PM,or email forthe best further information!

Also, in the Bible when it refers to His children, does this mean those who are active in the Faith only?

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These mean those who make it to the end (all will have faith in the end, yes, however many of these children have yet to find God), They literally become part of Gods family! As it was our destiny since the beginning!

Does this mean the rest of humanity is ****** and also not His Child?

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No, but they will have to await the coming of Jesus’s kingdom

Thanks for reading,
God bless,
DaTsar

DaTsar said:

These are things we (me and my church) believe, they are back up in the bible!
These are quick explanations and lack much of any substance so please, nobody take offence and debate me based off what I put, I would invite any question though.

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You post in the debate section and then say, "don't debate me". How am I supposed to respond to what you've said?

The “second chance”, this is were we believe those who do not believe in God will be resurrected and showen all the truth and some (many) will choose to repent and join the rest of Gods fruits, in his family!

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Ok, I am not debating you yet, but am asking a question that you invited.

What passage do you find this "second chance" being taught in?
And how was this suppose to answer the original question?

nami said:

Why when God is God,knowing all from beginning to end, did God create Man knowing that most would not be saved. Is it so then that people are essentially predestined to either know or not know the Gospel? People have circumstances in life,understanding,experiences, that make it virtually impossible for them to receive,understand, accept the Bible. God knows this, why then predestine them to their enviroment? Is there salvation after death if God would grant mercy to people? Also, in the Bible when it refers to His children, does this mean those who are active in the Faith only? Does this mean the rest of humanity is ****** and also not His Child?Your input is appreciated.Thank you.

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A good question would be, "What has God predestined?"

The Bible teaches that God has "predestined" how his people should live. But he has NOT predestined that certain individuals will be saved or lost beyond their free will.

God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Pet. 3:9)

Free will is the answer to your question. God has predestined the ultimate consequence of our choices (Heaven or Hell), but he has NOT predestined our choices. We have free will to make those choices.

Does this help? If you have any questions or need further explanation, just ask.

heb12-2 said:

What passage do you find this "second chance" being taught in?
And how was this suppose to answer the original question?

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It is how I interpret revelations, Daniel and Ezekiel; because it is interpreted I do not in any way hold it as any essential belief, only a possibility. However I believe a very likely one.

If you would like me to post a case for this I would be glad to, however not right now or even in the next couple days. Why? Because I had a formal debate in this area were I mixed this idea with some fully false Ideas (I was in the process of studying this topic and jumped to a conclusion too early) so in the formal debate I got some points I needed to look at more fully, so when I am not 100% I do not like to say too much about a topic. But I am still in the process (I should be done enough soon), so at this point am not in a position to make any strong case, but soon,

Once again this is interpretation and thus needs to be a full case, so not any one verse on their own can teach it in full. well there is, I do know of quite a few, but I am still looking in to the some called contradictions, which may or may not be contradictory, I am checking into it.

However I do know of a website that explains this concept very well, but It is offered through a church and so I do not like to publicly advertise for a church by directing people to a site, So I only give it to people through PM,who I think could gain from it.

Also I do not want to stress this idea and convince people who may be falling in to temptation, I only want to show this to people who worry about others! I am sure you understand that logic.

How about let say I PM you when I feel 100% confidant (100% Clear) in this Idea again, and we can have a formal debate.

God bless,
DaTsar

DaTsar said:

These are things we (me and my church) believe, they are back up in the bible!
These are quick explanations and lack much of any substance so please, nobody take offence and debate me based off what I put, I would invite any question though.



The “second chance”, this is were we believe those who do not believe in God will be resurrected and showen all the truth and some (many) will choose to repent and join the rest of Gods fruits, in his family! (This we believe is the meaning of Gods “great day” holy day.) You can PM,or email forthe best further information!


These mean those who make it to the end (all will have faith in the end, yes, however many of these children have yet to find God), They literally become part of Gods family! As it was our destiny since the beginning!

No, but they will have to await the coming of Jesus’s kingdom

Thanks for reading,
God bless,
DaTsar

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DaTsar,

May I make a suggestion? Your first sentence of this post says, "These are things we (me and my church) believe, they are back up in the bible!" Why not include a scriptural reference to support your points? Isn't that really what 1 Peter 4:11 requires? ("If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.")

I would like to know more about the "second chance." Could you point out the scriptures that I can study to learn more about this?

One more question. When will Jesus establish his kingdom?

FC

Florida College said:

DaTsar,

May I make a suggestion? Your first sentence of this post says, "These are things we (me and my church) believe, they are back up in the bible!" Why not include a scriptural reference to support your points? Isn't that really what 1 Peter 4:11 requires? ("If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.")

I would like to know more about the "second chance." Could you point out the scriptures that I can study to learn more about this?

One more question. When will Jesus establish his kingdom?

FC

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Ok i posted somthing to look at:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=994557

DaTsar said:

Ok i posted somthing to look at:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=994557

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DaTsar,

Gleaning the highlights from the lengthy posting prompted these questions:
1.) What 3 components make up man in 1 Thessalonians 5:23?
2.) When did Jesus say his kingdom would be established in Mark 9:1?
3.) When was Jesus' kingdom established (Colossians 1:13)?

FC

Florida College said:

1.)What 3 components make up man in 1 Thessalonians 5:23?

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1 Thessalonians 5:23,NKJV:
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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What does Paul mean by the phrase "spirit, soul, and body"?
By "spirit" (pneuma), Paul means the human mind, which gives us the ability to reason, create and analyze our existence. By "soul" (psuche), Paul means physical life and its consciousness. By "body" (soma), Paul means the flesh of a physical body. Paul wished for the whole person, including the mind, vitality of life and physical body, to be sanctified and blameless.

Florida College said:

2.) When did Jesus say his kingdom would be established in Mark 9:1?

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Mark 9:1-6,NKJV:
And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"-- because he did not know what to say, for they were greatly afraid.

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I do not get your point you need to explain further!

Florida College said:

3.) When was Jesus' kingdom established (Colossians 1:13)?

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Colossians 1:9-18,NKJV:
For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual
understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood,[1] the forgiveness of sins.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

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I do not quite understand? You must elaborate I am very confused to what you point is!

sorry i could not be of more help,
God bless,
DaTsar

nami said:

Why when God is God,knowing all from beginning to end, did God create Man knowing that most would not be saved. Is it so then that people are essentially predestined to either know or not know the Gospel? People have circumstances in life,understanding,experiences, that make it virtually impossible for them to receive,understand, accept the Bible. God knows this, why then predestine them to their enviroment? Is there salvation after death if God would grant mercy to people? Also, in the Bible when it refers to His children, does this mean those who are active in the Faith only? Does this mean the rest of humanity is ****** and also not His Child?Your input is appreciated.Thank you.

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Ok , lets consider this , Why ideally does a man and a woman have a child? To share their love with .... God created us to fellowship and share His love with - knowing full well that many would not return it , but also knowing the worth of the ones who would .

As far as predestination , God knowing what we are going to choose doesnt = God making that choice for us . Christ died for ALL men , not just some , when people perish its for rejection of the payment for sin that Christ made for them , not to pay for their own sins , all sin has already been paid for , for everyone .

To your statement that you believe its virtually impossible for some , I disagree , because Gods word says that to each man was given a measure of faith and that the knowledge of God was manifest in them so that they are without excuse . Christ said before He came and spoke to the world it had not sin , but now we are accountable for our sins . Once a man knows what sin , He is accountable for it .

There is no salvation after death we are either born twice or die twice - born of a physical nature , and born of a spiritual nature , we start off dead spiritually , then we die physically. Those who choose not to be born spiritually will eternally perish , not only because they rejected the truth but to protect those who want the truth , no sin will enter heaven to ruin it like it has here . God will protect His children .

We have the power to BECOME children of God through Christ but we are not so till we have been born again , if you would like these scriptures , ill be happy to post them .