So I was thinking about the fall of Satan. So was Satan created with a free will? Was he created with sin? If Satan has a free will, did he ever have an oppurtunity to repent for his trespass, or was he created for destruction? This leads to my next thought. How was sin created. 1. If Satan was the first being that sin was found in, did God put it there? Did God create Sin. 2. If you say no, then you must attribute Satan as the creater of sin, which you cannot attribute as Satan is a creature and not a creator. If you say that Satan didn't have a free will, then he was forced into the position as accuser. If you say he had a free will, then you attribute Satan choosing sin that for all we know didn't exist yet. 3. Now if we identify the creation of Sin as anything opposite of, contrary to, or outside of God's holiness, then we must also assume that the angels knew of the boundaries and all had oppurtunity at any one time to cross them.
Then I wonder why Satan would be cast to the earth where he would go a wandering. God knowing that the earth was a place for Humans. Why didn't he cast Satan the accuser to another dimension or somewhere other then where Humans would be influenced. Obviously, God had a sovereign plan for the fall and the redemption of mankind.
Next thought.
Angels were not created to experience God as Savior. God created humans to show this side of himself to them. I believe God has many facets. I believe that he created the World and humans that he may show himself to them. So that they may experience God. So that they would love God because of the many facets of himself.
Next thing. I have heard it said that the Isaiah scripture doesn't pertain to Satan. Lets look at this.
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
The key word is morning star. Either this is Satan that this speaks of or this is Jesus.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
So for awhile I thought, God it appears that the scripture in Isaiah must be talking to you and then I read on where it says.
Isaiah 14:13-
13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [3]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
"Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a desert,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?"
18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
I realised this cannot be talking about Jesus, then I found a verse in Job, Let me reference and continue:
Job 38:4-
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [1] shouted for joy? *then continues on talking about creation)
Read verse 7 again. There are two morning stars. Jesus and Satan I would speculate.
So then, Jesus and Satan were singing together during creation?? So at what point do we think that Satan rebelled? I know the muslims believe that God presented the man adam to the angels and explained the roll of adam on the earth and told the angels to bow to Adam and Satan wouldn't bow and rebelled... I know this post is long and I have given a little bit to ponder. Please write and give me any thoughts. If you disagree with reasoning, please explain some. I do not wanted a heated debate, but more to ponder and learn more. Please post.
Then I wonder why Satan would be cast to the earth where he would go a wandering. God knowing that the earth was a place for Humans. Why didn't he cast Satan the accuser to another dimension or somewhere other then where Humans would be influenced. Obviously, God had a sovereign plan for the fall and the redemption of mankind.
Next thought.
Angels were not created to experience God as Savior. God created humans to show this side of himself to them. I believe God has many facets. I believe that he created the World and humans that he may show himself to them. So that they may experience God. So that they would love God because of the many facets of himself.
Next thing. I have heard it said that the Isaiah scripture doesn't pertain to Satan. Lets look at this.
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
The key word is morning star. Either this is Satan that this speaks of or this is Jesus.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
So for awhile I thought, God it appears that the scripture in Isaiah must be talking to you and then I read on where it says.
Isaiah 14:13-
13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [3]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
"Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a desert,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?"
18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
I realised this cannot be talking about Jesus, then I found a verse in Job, Let me reference and continue:
Job 38:4-
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [1] shouted for joy? *then continues on talking about creation)
Read verse 7 again. There are two morning stars. Jesus and Satan I would speculate.
So then, Jesus and Satan were singing together during creation?? So at what point do we think that Satan rebelled? I know the muslims believe that God presented the man adam to the angels and explained the roll of adam on the earth and told the angels to bow to Adam and Satan wouldn't bow and rebelled... I know this post is long and I have given a little bit to ponder. Please write and give me any thoughts. If you disagree with reasoning, please explain some. I do not wanted a heated debate, but more to ponder and learn more. Please post.
